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The Graying of the Record Store

By ALEX WILLIAMS

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On a recent Monday, six people — soon enough four, then two — were browsing the bins of compact discs at Norman’s Sound and Vision, a music store on Cooper Square in Manhattan, around 6 p.m., a time that once constituted the daily rush hour. A decade ago, the number of shoppers might have been 20 or 30, said Norman Isaacs, the owner. Six people? He would have had that many working in the store.

“I used to make more in a day than I probably make in a week now,” said the shaven-headed Mr. Isaacs, 59, whose largely empty aisles brimming with punk, jazz, Latin music, and lots and lots of classic rock have left him, many afternoons, looking like a rock ’n’ roll version of the Maytag repairman. Just as troubling to Mr. Isaacs is the age of his clientele.

In the era of iTunes and MySpace, the customer base that still thinks of recorded music as a physical commodity (that is, a CD), as opposed to a digital file to be downloaded, is shrinking and aging, further imperiling record stores already under pressure from mass-market discounters like Best Buy and Wal-Mart.

The bite that downloading has taken out of CD sales is well known — the compact disc market fell about 25 percent between 1999 and 2005, according to the Recording Industry Association of America, a trade organization. What that precipitous drop indicated by the figures doesn’t reveal is that this trend is turning many record stores into haunts for the gray-ponytail set. This is especially true of big-city stores that stock a wider range of music than the blockbuster acts.

“We don’t see the kids anymore,” said Thom Spennato, who owns Sound Track, a cozy store on busy Seventh Avenue in Park Slope, Brooklyn. “That 12-to-15-year-old market, that’s what’s missing the last couple of years.”

Without that generation of buyers, the future looks bleak. “My landlord asked me if I wanted another 10-year lease, and I said no,” Mr. Spennato said. “I have four years left, then I’m out.”

Since late 2003, about 900 independent record stores have closed nationwide, leaving about 2,700, according to the Almighty Institute of Music Retail, a marketing research company in Studio City, Calif. In 2004, Tower Records, one of the nation’s largest chains, filed for bankruptcy protection.

Greta Perr, an owner of Future Legends, a new and used CD store on Ninth Avenue in Hell’s Kitchen, said that young people never really came back to her store after the Napster file-sharing upheaval of the late 90’s; she has responded by filling her windows with artists like Neil Young and Bruce Springsteen. “People come in and say: ‘I remember when I was 20, Steve Miller’s second record came out. Can I get that?’ ” she said.

Industry statistics bear out the graying of the CD-buying public. Purchases by shoppers between ages 15 and 19 represented 12 percent of recorded music in 2005, a decline from about 17 percent in 1996, according to the Recording Industry Association. Purchases by those 20 to 24 represented less than 13 percent in 2005, down from about 15 percent. Over the same period, the share of recorded music bought by adults over 45 rose to 25.5 percent, from 15 percent.

(The figures include CD’s and downloaded songs, with CD’s still an overwhelming share of the market in recorded music, 87 percent, in 2005.)

The dominance of older buyers is especially evident at smaller independent stores in metropolitan areas, where younger consumers tend to be more tech-oriented and older music fans tend to be more esoteric in their tastes, said Russ Crupnick, an analyst with the NPD Group, a market research firm.

At Norman’s, which is 15 years old and just around the corner from New York’s epicenter of punk, St. Marks Place, shoppers with nose rings and dewy cheeks are not unknown. But they may only be looking to use the automatic teller machine. A pair of teenagers — he with ink-black dyed hair, and she in ragged camouflage shorts — wandered in one evening recently and promptly froze in the doorway, stopped in their tracks by an Isaac Hayes cut from the 70’s.

They had the confused looks of would-be congregants who had stumbled into a church of the wrong denomination; they quickly shuffled off. Most of Norman’s other customers were old enough to remember eight-track tapes. Steven Russo, 53, for instance, was looking for jazz CD’s. Mr. Russo, a high school teacher in Valley Stream, N.Y., said that he values the store for its sense of camaraderie among cognoscenti as much as its selection. “It’s the ability of people to talk to people about the music, to talk to personnel who are knowledgeable,” he said.

Richard Antone, a freelance writer from Newark whose hair was flecked with silver curls, said his weekly trip to the store is a visual experience as well as an auditory one. “I remember how people admired the artwork on an album like ‘Electric Ladyland’ or ‘Sgt. Pepper’ as much as the music,” he said.

The lost generation of young shoppers — for whom a CD is a silvery disc on which you burn your own songs and then label with a black marker — will probably spell doom for Norman’s within the next five years, said Mr. Isaacs, the owner. Several of his downtown competitors have already disappeared, he said.

Some independent owners are resisting the demographic challenges. Eric Levin, 36, who owns three Criminal Records stores in Atlanta and oversees a trade group called the Alliance of Independent Media Stores, representing 30 shops nationally, said that businesses losing young customers are “dinosaurs” that have done nothing to cater to the new generation. Around the country, he said, shops like Grimey’s in Nashville, Shake It Records in Cincinnati and Other Music in New York are hanging on to young customers by evolving into one-stop hipster emporiums. Besides selling obscure CD’s and even vinyl records, many have diversified into comic books, Japanese robot toys and clothing. Some have opened adjoining nightclubs or, in Mr. Levin’s case, coffee shops.

“Kids don’t have to go to the record store like earlier generations,” Mr. Levin said. “You have to make them want to. You have to make it an event.”

But diversification is not always an option for smaller stores with little extra space, like Norman’s. Mr. Isaacs’s continued survival is due in part to a side business he runs selling used CD’s on Amazon and eBay. He buys them from walk-in customers who are often dumping entire collections.

Unlike the threatened independent bookstore, with its tattered rugs, dusty shelves and shedding cats, indie record stores in danger of disappearing do not inspire much hand-wringing, perhaps because they are not as celebrated in popular imagination as the quaint bookshop. (Record geeks can claim only “High Fidelity,’’ the book and movie, as a nostalgic touchstone.)

Still, the passing of such places would be mourned.

Danny Fields, the Ramones’ first manager, points out that visiting Bleecker Bob’s on West Third Street in the late 70’s was “like experiencing the New York music scene” in miniature — it was a cultural locus, a trading post for all the latest punk trends. “Dropping into Bleecker Bob’s was like dropping into CBGB’s,” he said. (You can still drop into Bleecker Bob’s.)

Dave Marsh, the rock critic and author of books on popular music, noted that rockers like Jonathan Richman and Iggy Pop honed their edgy musical tastes working as record store clerks.

“It’s part of the transmission of music,” said Mr. Marsh, who recalls being turned on to cult bands like the Fugs and the Mothers of Invention by the clerks at his local record store in his hometown, Waterford, Mich. “It seems like you can’t have a neighborhood without them.”

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I don't understand young kids today. Their music needs are disposable, which saddens me.

In general I find that they just want to:

A) Listen to the same 10 songs on the radio over and over again. Even when I was 13 I craved more musical variety and exploration.

B) Are fine with just downloading music to their iPods and make no attempt to back that stuff up. I guess they aren't fully aware that their mp3 players and hard drives will crap out on them in a few years and then they will have lost all of that music they paid for. But I suppose that most of the shit that's being played on the radio these days has a shelf-life of about 3-4 weeks before most never want to hear it again anyways.

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I don't understand young kids today. Their music needs are disposable, which saddens me.

In general I find that they just want to:

A) Listen to the same 10 songs on the radio over and over again. Even when I was 13 I craved more musical variety and exploration.

B) Are fine with just downloading music to their iPods and make no attempt to back that stuff up. I guess they aren't fully aware that their mp3 players and hard drives will crap out on them in a few years and then they will have lost all of that music they paid for. But I suppose that most of the shit that's being played on the radio these days has a shelf-life of about 3-4 weeks before most never want to hear it again anyways.


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kids nowadays don't treasure the entire package. an invisible track by their favorite disposable artist is ok with them.


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south pacific Wrote:
I don't understand young kids today. Their music needs are disposable, which saddens me.

In general I find that they just want to:

A) Listen to the same 10 songs on the radio over and over again. Even when I was 13 I craved more musical variety and exploration.


but did the other kids?
from what i remember i was a dork, but everyone else was content with whatever the radio was playing.

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NOrmans is by far the worst store of about 8 in that 10 block radius. Always overpriced. Promo's are shrinkwrapped and sold as new. Basically anything in shrinkwrap is considered new....

I always see tons of people in SOunds, Kims, Other, Etheria, and Tower (well up to recently)....

so, Normans is a bad example for this article.

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I always see tons of people in SOunds, Kims, Other, Etheria, and Tower (well up to recently)....

so, Normans is a bad example for this article.

yeah, i haven't really seen much of a drop in attendance at good record stores. reckless always has a good crowd. i even sometimes have trouble getting to the new used bins on weekends. i don't really see kids, though. then again, as jewels pointed out, i think most of us were the exception to the rule as kids. some of my best friends outside of school were the people who worked at the record shop in the town where i grew up. and i can't think of more than ten kids from my high school who went there regularly. (and that might mean once a month.)


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yeah, well, evolve or die. i like some record stores (none in new york city, really), but i don't want to buy cds. with the prospect of several moves still in my future, if i can get something without packaging (and with the ability to redownload in case of loss, like on e-music), i will. record stores can't offer that. has nothing to do with the artists being disposable, and everything to do with how i use the music i buy.


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NOrmans is by far the worst store of about 8 in that 10 block radius. Always overpriced. Promo's are shrinkwrapped and sold as new. Basically anything in shrinkwrap is considered new....

I always see tons of people in SOunds, Kims, Other, Etheria, and Tower (well up to recently)....

so, Normans is a bad example for this article.

Actually it's a good example for the article. The article itself is what is faulty based on your evidence. Minor but fairly key distinction.


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the only good thing i remember bout Norman's was being able to get new releases the Thursday or Friday before the following Tuesdays street date. of course, at 4 bux more then they would sell it for...but i was young and dumb....now i am older , and still dumb, but i dont know of places selling early anymore.

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the only good thing i remember bout Norman's was being able to get new releases the Thursday or Friday before the following Tuesdays street date. of course, at 4 bux more then they would sell it for...but i was young and dumb....now i am older , and still dumb, but i dont know of places selling early anymore.

i've bought a handful of releases at sounds the weekend before a street date, but not usually before then.


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For the record, I have clearly not become my father, who regularly listens to The Russian Red Army Chorus on vinyl.

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well thats pretty cool

but seriously yours and dalen's comments make you sound old and curmudgeonly

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kids nowadays don't treasure the entire package. an invisible track by their favorite disposable artist is ok with them.


lol

i thought you liked techno - an entire genre based on anonymity

besides, id say this is a good thing. Judging music solely on its own merits and not any of the self-mythologizing, marketing and all that goes on


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even when i bought a lot of music, i never really elevated my mass-produced cassette purchases to the level of artifact. i'm always amazed that anyone fetishizes the packaging more than the music.


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Mr. Russo, a high school teacher in Valley Stream, N.Y., said that he values the store for its sense of camaraderie among cognoscenti as much as its selection. “It’s the ability of people to talk to people about the music, to talk to personnel who are knowledgeable,” he said.


A lot of this article seemed to focus on the experience of going to a record store and how that is being lost, but the problem with this article is that it doesn't mention that people are substituting one experience for another. As an example, the quote above implies that people are not talking to others about music, but as we are all too familiar with, there are a ton of resources on the internet to hear what others have to say.

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Guys, look.


I'm not against digital downloads at all. In fact I use them frequently to preview albums I'm interested in, make mix cd's, and actually I go out and support the artist by buying the physical album if I think it's good enough. I just want both formats to successfully co-exist side by side, that's all.

I love the art, the packaging, the pictures, the liner notes, the lyrics that are all included when you buy the actual physical thing released by the band/record company. I don't love it more than the music itself but I have to have it.

Anyways, how cool would Iron Maiden be without all those Eddie pics?

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i can promise you for a fact that the average kid these days listens to a much wider variety of music then anyone in your day did

less monetary risk in trying something new = more experimenting = wider vareity of music


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i can promise you for a fact that the average kid these days listens to a much wider variety of music then anyone in your day did

less monetary risk in trying something new = more experimenting = wider vareity of music


Can you? Were you even around in 1983?


All the kids I know around here would prove you wrong in a second. They have absolutely no drive to listen to anything other that what is shit out from the radio. Maybe NZ is a different sort of musical utopia than Hawaii though, but I doubt it.

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Honestly man, I don't know what we're fighting about here.

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I love the art, the packaging, the pictures, the liner notes, the lyrics that are all included when you buy the actual physical thing released by the band/record company. I don't love it more than the music itself but I have to have it.


same here


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I love the art, the packaging, the pictures, the liner notes, the lyrics that are all included when you buy the actual physical thing released by the band/record company. I don't love it more than the music itself but I have to have it.


same here


agreed. I'm one of those people who are anal about album art on my ipod even.

If a record store is good, then they'll figure out how to survive. Why Wal-Marts, Best Buys, etc came along, they started selling used cds. Even big chains like FYE are doing it now as well. DVDs are now flooding into many record stores who sell them used. They will adapt. We're going to lose many, many stores, but then again I've seen many hardware stores close as well.

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I get a discount at the record store I work at now. I found the Giant Drag cd for $13. With my discount, it came to $8 after taxes.

One of the sixteen year old kids on staff asked why I don't just download it. It's $8...



On the flipside, one of the thirty year-old guys on staff today asked me what I knew about the new Tom Waits three-discer. He likes the packaging so he's probably going to pick it up in a few days.


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