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http://www.engadget.com/2006/12/12/itun ... o-succeed/

Apparently people still don't want music they can't do anything with, and "Analysts" are predicting (as suggested long ago by the EFF or certain Law Professors) that the industry will start moving toward collective blanket licensing whereby we all pay some sort of tax (e.g. on broadband, mp3 players, cd burners) and get to download whatever we want.

My response: yay.


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Awesome. I'm actually disappointed when I receive iTunes giftcards because of their crappy model. This year I quickly removed the idea of buying iTunes giftcards for people this year simply because of the limitations placed on the downloads.

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as long as the sound quality is good (192+) and there are no security restrictions (copiable to pc, cd-r or mp3 player) and it's not too expensive ($10 for an album of mp3 files is too much), i'm fine with this.

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as long as the sound quality is good (192+) and there are no security restrictions (copiable to pc, cd-r or mp3 player) and it's not too expensive ($10 for an album of mp3 files is too much), i'm fine with this.


Well the idea is that there's none of these restrictions. You pay a tax, someone tracks what's being shared/downloaded and how often, and artists are payed out of the tax. Much like they are when their songs are covered in clubs.


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HaqDiesel Wrote:
http://www.engadget.com/2006/12/12/itunes-sales-collapsing-blanket-licensing-to-succeed/

Apparently people still don't want music they can't do anything with, and "Analysts" are predicting (as suggested long ago by the EFF or certain Law Professors) that the industry will start moving toward collective blanket licensing whereby we all pay some sort of tax (e.g. on broadband, mp3 players, cd burners) and get to download whatever we want.

My response: yay.


My response: dream on


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lol at people paying $10 for an album download.


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models like emusic are the wave of the future. Decent bitrates (V2), good selection, artists get paid, and the overhead is ridiculously low. The ones who get hurt are the manufacturers of the raw goods used to make and distribute CD's and the retailers.


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My response: dream on


Maybe. But one of two things are going to happen to the music industry: they will eventually hit on a pay-per-play model that doesn't cause them to hemorrhage revenues every year (a scenario that seems less and less likely all of the time), or they will find some way to make money from the rampant filesharing going on, and I think this is as close as they're going to come to doing that.

Patrick: I think emusic is a great model, but it won't be enough for the majors until they can make sure they'll make money from the post-sale trading that is bound to happen. The emusic model needs something like a blanket license to gain widespread acceptance.


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honestly i think a downloaded album should be 3 bucks max.......this .99 cents a song is for the birds........i would rather go to BB the day it comes out and get the WHOLE album for less then 9.99

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lol at people paying $10 for an album download.


Yeah, I like using iDalen and iTimis myself. I'd gladly give either of you $10 for the shit you've given me.

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anytime drm fails, the consumers win.


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I posted about DownloadPunk.com at Hip-D the other day. They offer 79-99 cent downloads, but they are DRM Free. You can even find The Wrens there.

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I'll only download it from iTunes if I can't buy a tangible one anywhere.

I hate downloading, burining, and then ripping.


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I'll only download it from iTunes if I can't buy a tangible one anywhere.

I hate downloading, burining, and then ripping.


i'll only buy it as a cd if i can't buy a tangible one online. i hate plunking $15 at a brick'n'mortar, ripping and then storing yet another cd. physical product is so last century.

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ll only buy it as a cd if i can't buy a tangible one online.


I know what you meant.


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honestly i think a downloaded album should be 3 bucks max.......this .99 cents a song is for the birds........i would rather go to BB the day it comes out and get the WHOLE album for less then 9.99


Amen. I can't fathom paying 10 bones for some digital data. It's just because the industry has always propagated ridiculously priced product. What's the list price on CD's these days? Obscene. Remember the promise that the price would drop when CD's were rolled out? The horrible itunes price model is just an extension of that. 3 bucks sounds about right.


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Alot of the times, the higher priced list prices for CD's are put there to help offset the cost of actually marketing the CD as well via video, radio and press campaigns, etc.... the costs involved don't strictly go towards the manufacturing of the shiny disc.

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I personally don't buy that iTunes revenues are declining, let alone across the digital industry as a whole. If that's the case already, without a viable replacement in line - I don't think blanket licensing is it - watch out, because you won't be buying anything of quality for that $3 you've been saving. $3, really? Are you serious, that's what it's worth to you?

Me, I wouldn't buy digitally for $10 either, but I'd spend $20+ on the LP.


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I don't know. I think an awful lot of talented people would make an awful lot of good records based on a different pricing scheme.

I would venture that a great many of obner favs don't make jack from record sales in the first place. And if I never am marketed to again, I'm fine with that.


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I personally don't buy that iTunes revenues are declining, let alone across the digital industry as a whole.


But what is the digital industry as a whole? iTunes is pretty much the only passable service the majors have ok'd, unless you count non-download on-demand services.


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lol at people paying $10 for an album download.


Yeah, I like using iDalen and iTimis myself. I'd gladly give either of you $10 for the shit you've given me.


our stores are really the best right? :wink:


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Do you think iTunes will eventually offer a all-you-can-eat service? Or have they banked too much on the pay-per-song idea? Seems like they have to keep moving, and a "remastered" nano is treading water.

Maybe the next ipod (or ipod killer) will be a wireless gizmo that connects to a subscription service and avoids the whole hard drive arms race.


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Wasn't that the idea behind "The New Napster"? Except without the satellite uplink, natch. The question is whether the record industry, in the face of the inevitability of such a device, will surrender their 20th century pricing scheme or simply fail to exist.


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Wasn't that the idea behind "The New Napster"? Except without the satellite uplink, natch. The question is whether the record industry, in the face of the inevitability of such a device, will surrender their 20th century pricing scheme or simply fail to exist.


They'll probably surrender the pricing, and sell a lot more because of the convenience of that technology.


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I personally don't buy that iTunes revenues are declining, let alone across the digital industry as a whole.


But what is the digital industry as a whole? iTunes is pretty much the only passable service the majors have ok'd, unless you count non-download on-demand services.


From my experiences, iTunes accounts for the great majority of digital income, and is growing steadily/slowly. That's why I think it would be devastating if all digital vending is already in "drastic decline".


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