Boo hoo

Who's crying about anything? I'm stating a fact. Merriman plays OLB in a blitz-heavy scheme. If he wasn't putting up those numbers, he'd be out of the league in a heartbeat. Luckily for him, he'd roided up.

I wasn't comparing Urlacher to Merriman, because, frankly, there is no comparison. I was just pointing out that play-calling and defensive scheme has a lot to do with Merriman's sack totals.

Hell, we have a rookie DE on the Bears (Mark Anderson) who has 10 sacks. Oooh, how impressive! He must be better than Ogunleye and Alex Brown. Or maybe it's because his limited play-time has been in obvious passing downs and when the Bears have a huge lead.

I have never, in my entire fucking life, from SF fans who would have eaten Montana's shit out of his asshole, to Lions fans who would have gladly drank the pee-pee from the source of Barry Sanders' ding-ding, seen such annoying fucking homer-jock sniffing-apologists as this year's crop of Bears' fans.

high volumes of sacks almost universily mean you are going to win your game.
i think it's a rather useful stat.

What the fuck are you talking about? It's not like I'm bitching that Urlacher isn't going to the Pro Bowl.

Oh you mean KNOCKING THE OTHER TEAM'S QUARTERBACK ON HIS ASS A LOT IS A GOOD THING? YOU MEAN THAT KNOCKDOWNS COULD BE AN INDICATOR OF PRESSURE TOO?

Jewelz, do watch football?!

High volumes of sacks usually mean you are ALREADY winning your game. Not because of the sacks. Unless you have an infinately dominant D-line.

A lot of sacks usually come when the defense KNOWS you are in a passing situation.

Gee, do you two ignorant fucks know football?! HMM?

Or when they scheme you, bullrush you, or generally play a style of ball that gets to the QB. Show me sacks by quarter for all NFL games, please.

By quarter doesn't mean anything. If you're down by 2-3 posessions in the NFL, the sack potential insanely increases. The defense KNOWS you're passing. That's the point I was trying to make with the Bears rookie who has 10 sacks. WOW, TEN SACKS! You look at that and you think he's been dominating for a rookie.

Well, if you actually watch the games, he's only been played on third down situations, or when the Bears have been up 14-21 points.

That's why sacks for individual players are the most overrated stat in the game. They don't take into account the situation of the game, or even if the player with the big sack numbers is playing next to someone who demands a double-team on every play.

So, homeruns are overrated in baseball and TDs are also overrated in football?

LDT gets the ball in the red zone every time...his stats are juiced.

A solo job in the first inning is the same amount of HRs as a 9th inning "walk off" job....

Make all the excuses you want, pal. Sacks are pretty big plays at almost any point in the game. Ask Drew Bledsoe

So now you're switching sports to try to make your point?

A solo in the first inning means shit if your team gets blasted for 9 runs the next couple innings. Means just as much as a sack if your team is either up or down a couple scores. I'll take a forced fumble or an INT any time over a sack.

And yeah, L"D"Ts stats have been juiced for a while now. Ever since he was in sight of the record, the play-calling stopped being what's best for the team in the situation, and became getting him the ball. Doesn't take away from what he's accomplished, because he's still scoring. But when they're up 21 points on Denver, and still hand him the ball with about 3 minutes to go, you can't tell me that was about winning the game.

I'm saying that in many ways, all stats and numbers are subjective. Dan Marino's passing numbers are crazy because he never really had a running game, Mike Vick's passer ratings are held down by dropped passes, Emmitt wasn't as "good" as Barry because he had a better O-line.

It is what it is dude, I'm just saying that not everything needs to be rationalized to show how awesome The Bears are.

Yeah, that's probably why we're arguing. This has nothing to do with the Bears. If the only reason Urlacher made the pro bowl was because he had 10+ sack stats, I'd be making the same statements.

And by the way, Marino's numbers would probably be even better if he had a running game.

still should be a pro-bowler

So Bruce Smith, Reggie White, and Lawrence Taylor were shitty players because they went after sacks? I'm confused.

Yes, but Richard Dent and Michael Singletary...they were AWESOME!!

Well, when that 'roided fuck Merriman does it for long as those three Hall of Famers, then maybe I'll admit I'm wrong.

And since this seems to be going unnoticed, I'm not saying sacks are BAD. I'm saying they're overrated.

Not to defend Merriman, BUT...

1. You don't even know what the substance is/was do you? (do you?)

2. You don't really think he's the only guy in the league do ya? Even on the Bears there's guys using right now. Believe it.

Doug Plank was the only talent on that defense and he didnt even play in '85.

That's it, now you've hit a nerve.

What I do know is that it wasn't just a suppliment that was identified as a steroid, it was full on anabolic steroids.



And when they come out of absolutely nowhere ala Merriman putting up the numbers he has, I'll suspect them. Oh, also when they get tested positive. Until then, there's no one on our team who even deserves speculation, let alone been caught and suspended for using steroids.

Guys, why are we even bothering with this guy? He only has 2200+ posts. Pft.

I fight dirty.

You're still sore that Ditka let Fridge Perry score a TD in the Super Bowl and not Walter Payton, aren't you?