60 gig is as good as the 80, upgradable to the same software. they can probably be found for $100-or-more less, if they can be found. ipod stopped making this for the 80.

2 of my friends just came over to add some music to their new IPods and it took me like an hour & 1/2 to figure out how the fuck to get anything on there. I'm glad I don't have one of these shitturds.

it's really not that complicated. i came from using rio karma and figured it out fairly quick.

i'd never really used it before. i kept hitting the wrong things and it tried to add all the mp3's on my computer to one of them so i deleted those and then thought i got the right files on but it still had everything else on there so i figured that out but tried to add more and it deleted the stuff that i wanted to put on in the first place. it's so much easier to just drag & drop with my IRiver.