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 Post subject: 2006 SHMOO POLL RESULTS: Day 4
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12. Liars - Drum's Not Dead

Drinky:
Drum's Not Dead, alright. Drums have hardly ever sounded more alive and inventive, and yet the success of Liars newfound approach goes far beyond just the mammoth percussion displayed on this album's livelier tracks. Throughout the bulk of the record, eerie, skeletal melodies emerge from sparse, amorphous instrumentation, driven more by a droney synth feel than guitars, often moving at a snail's pace. The vocals range from ominous chants to mildly unsettling falsettos with the occasional harmony, to sleepy, monotone recitations that exert a sort of cold nonchalance. The tightly focused sonic palette somehow never seems too constricting as it fluidly shifts and evolves over the course of the album, culminating in the surprisingly warm and uplifting "The Other Side Of Mt. Heart Attack".

It's a polarizing album, to be sure, one that has definitely lost them some fans. But what Liars have now is something much richer, more complex, and more inspired than their old sound. It works because it doesn't flinch or compromise or try to condescend to any supposed audience level. There's an undeniable confidence in its inward plunge and triumphant emergence, indicative of a band that have truly found their niche. A continuously rewarding album, Drum's Not Dead is surprisingly varied and meticulously layered in ways that only reveal themselves after repeat listens. It may not be for everybody, but for me it's become indispensable. The best record of 2006 and probably of the past few years.

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What’s with all the hype? I tried to like this album, but I just couldn’t. I get it: the concept of the “yin/yang” forces. Drums vs. mountain. Creativity vs. stress. Drone vs. rhythm. Violence vs. serenity. Pretense vs. modesty. However, it doesn’t satisfy me because it is too pretentious for my taste. The opening track “Be Quiet Mt. Heart Attack!” builds you up and leads you to think something is going to happen… but no, it just ends abruptly. As I continued to try to listen to the rest of the album, I felt like I should be wearing a white robe and drinking the ‘kool-aid.’ As a matter of fact, someone suggested that I listen to the album in the dark but it actually scared me to even think about doing that. The one track I could even remotely tolerate is “The Other Side of Mt. Heart Attack” and it closes the album well… but the only feeling that it left me with was that this should be one of the songs played at my funeral. I respect the band for stepping outside the boundaries and trying something different and artistic, but Drum’s Not Dead just isn’t my cup o’ tea.



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11. Cat Power - The Greatest

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I did not see it coming. I was intrigued with the idea of the mercurial C. Marshall recording, in Memphis, with sidemen from the glorious seventies, when Al Green was still a lover, not a preacher. Maybe she could find a good melody, if not personal, psychic balance. Sure enough, she has. From the opening phrase of “The Greatest” — ‘once, I wanted to be the greatest’ — Chan steps away from the impending doom of critical adulation & collaboration with performers some orders of magnitude more famous than her, & for the first time finds power in her stage-fright, a narrator for her laconia.

I offer that it is in the setting. She has decamped from New York, where You are free was put to tape, & found sanctuary in the welcoming arms of professional musicians, not paid entertainers. (Certainly, they accrue recompense for their services, but these Memphis studio mavens are obviously not Eddie Vedder. But, I do like them better.) With them, she finds the soft, but still lively, melodies to accompany her plain-speak observations that, while facing the end, remain less than laments. Even the account of past drunks “Lived in bars” is not a melancholia of broken dreams & confession, but, rather, a reportorial description of boozy (but not necessarily depraved) evenings spent in the company of friends-for-a-moment at the local VFW.

I think I might be starting to like Cat Power. Now that she is no longer a “hipster exploitation project” — credit to Wonkette on that, from their description of Wesley Willis — she no longer has the sideshow air of the lost & meagrely skilled, on display because of how out of place it is to put her on display. Now, she is a performer, not a diversion. In retreating from the spotlight, she found it. & she could not have done so with better aides de camp.

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This album sounds like the lonely music that is in every romantic movie, where the guy and girl aren't together towards the end. It would be playing in the background as they are realizing how much they really miss each other. Cue the scene where they chase each other down on the busy sidewalk and embrace while proclaiming their love. I keep picturing Hugh Grant walking around London while the girl he is in love with sits on her couch crying while looking at knick-knacks accumulated on their dates.

Cat Power has a deep sexy voice that lulls you either into a romantic mood if you are with someone that you can have romance with, or it pulls you into depression wishing you had someone with whom to share your romance.

This is the kind of music that my conservative catholic father would listen to, if he listened to music. Instead, he listens to talk radio. He enjoys stuff that sits in the background and doesn't deserved to be heard. The even tone of the first 12 tracks on "The Greatest" make it seem almost like one long track that drifts into the back of your thoughts.



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10. Destroyer - Destroyer's Rubies

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Dan Bejar would seem to be more natural a singer in theatre, which is part of why we love his music, sometimes dearly; but also why he seems detached from it, lost a bit in his literacy. I measure all Destroyer works against "Your Blues", whereas his "Rubies" belongs more with the rock canon of "Streethawk" and "This Night". The arrangements come off once again as haphazard, the production is overlapped; but every song arrives at its hook, and without exploiting it – nuances in the many layers form its charm. These are ultimately pop songs, sprawling ones, but ones that manage to hold on, by their traditional rock instrumentation and just-evident production. The only remnants of "Your Blues" are a few stray referential lyrics, and vocal reverb, missing its MIDI bombast – maybe the only Destroyer record we'll have like that? "Rubies" is another of his great narrative and melodic workouts, but it falls short of the madness and boldness of "Your Blues", and actually its tautness. Destroyer wears his spot in the Obner Top 20 well, but I don't think it's as memorable as "Ys", not to compare.

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Assuredly, this is not metal. Better for it, too. The world has enough Hispano-thrash with Brujeria & Sepultura/Soulfly, thank you very much. That said, the hint of a combat booted past on the eponymous opener, with the martial drumming, was a nice nod to expectations-on-name-alone.

Quickly enough, then, the tempo moves into a sombre but unrelaxed pacing with lyrics regarding a go-it-alone posture in the wake of the ascent of a monied but unprincipled indie-rock class. Following that, “Your blood” & “European oils” complete a excellent opening triptypch, with the last’s “Goodbye to love” worthy solo (about two-thirds in?) climaxing the textured, flamenco-seeming guitar patter of the opening quarter.

The album lulls for a bit, though, on the next two cuts, but revives with “3000 flowers”, whose guitar heroics to open echo the Oils solo. The lyrics also regain some heft, with the exercise in incompatibility of “Dangerous woman… to a point” a particular stand-out, in that it defies the contemporary pop & indie convention of being weepy. It is to-the-point & reportorial, a metro section story, not a Livejournal harangue. (Lovely as the latter are, I’m sure.)

At this, we reach the close of the album, another triptych that reminds me of the second Rentals album, though a slightly-more-loungy-rather-than-clubby rock sound. The first & third of the set also prominently feature priests, perchance indicative of a theme of remaining even-tempered & self-aware, as is the necessity of the buen pastor. Now, to hope that this album can serve to guide the course of independent music.


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I would a thought Liars to be a little higher. I really like it. I love lsitening to this in the car at night.

Never been a Cat Power fan.

Destroyer-liked it, but did not make my top 20.

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young timmyjoe whose dad is probably 37 Wrote:
This is the kind of music that my conservative catholic father would listen to, if he listened to music. Instead, he listens to talk radio. He enjoys stuff that sits in the background and doesn't deserved to be heard. The even tone of the first 12 tracks on "The Greatest" make it seem almost like one long track that drifts into the back of your thoughts.


The "doesn't deserve to be heard" part is damned silly, but I appreciate your blurb anyway.

Quiet music is not always just background music. Those who are best at it realize it can be used that way, but stick headphones on and you get a whole nuther story.

The absolute master at this in the commercial world (other than Steely Dan) is Sade. Serious.


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first group of songs where not 1 made my top 20. destroyer came the closest -- it's my favorite of his stuff yet. it was also my favorite cat power yet. based on my dislike of previous albums, i didn't give the new liars a shot. (only so much time...)

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Me neither. I've heard Cat Power and Destroyer a few times but I can't remember a thing about them and haven't had the inclination to play them again.

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Both Liars and Destroyer made my top 20 (14 and 17, respectively), and both at one point early last year were Top 5 for me. Not so much that I grew tired of them; I just found a lot more stuff to listen to.

Liars is certainly a challenging listen, and one that I didn't do as much, but when I did I really liked it. Rubies was my first listen to Destroyer.


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I thought Liars would be a bit higher, too, but I'm guessing it's one of those albums that was really high on people's lists or not there at all.

I liked the Destroyer, too. I need to revisit that one.

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Liked Cat Power (though I get timmy's perspective on it), and I didn't care enough about the other two to give them a chance. Liars sounds pretty intriguing though. Well done to both Drinky and puma on those.


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Cat Power was okay and had a few great tracks but the album as a whole was far from good. Especially when compared to her back catalogue.


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Haven't heard Liars but this reminds me I need to get it.

I wanted so badly to like Destoyer but just don't enjoy it.

I've never given Cat Power much of a chance but probably should.

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I thought Monty did a fine job on the Cat Power blurb. And I wonder who ties Timmyjoe's shoelaces for him?


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Nice work folks.

Great write up Drinky. The Liars album was the strangest album I listened to this year but it was also the most intriguing for me. I listened to it several times with headphones which made me like it even more. It's something I'd probably never play around anyone. I don't think I'd even like to listen to it with someone that likes it. I tend to want to hear it when I'm by myself. In my top 20. Great artistic statement.


The Cat Power was her finest set of songs to date and I love the vibe it has throughout.


I tried and tried with Destroyer. It's just not for me.


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With Scott Walker, Liars and Fiery Furnaces on my list, I'm thinking I don't have a "Put It On For Party Guests" 2006 Top 20.


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I guess I need to finally get around to listening to this Cat Power album... too many people have spoke highly of it, and even though I'm not a fan by any stretch, I'm starting to wonder if I should open my mind (and ears) to it.


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Liars and Cat Power would have both made my list. But while The Greatest is much, much better than You Are Free, it isn't as good as her earlier albums.


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I guess I need to finally get around to listening to this Cat Power album... too many people have spoke highly of it, and even though I'm not a fan by any stretch, I'm starting to wonder if I should open my mind (and ears) to it.

that' exactly where i'm at. i don't have anything against cat power, and have enjoyed her when she's randomly been on my playlist. but perhaps i should go out of my way and spend some time with this record, and her last one.

Liars was my #1, and I understand that it's both polarizing and a tough listen for many folks. Apart from all the meticulous layers and drony, rhythmic movement that others have mentioned, I would add that when you start to get into it, the whole record becomes so electrifying and filled with energy that it can make you flip. Even the drony sections are filled with so much static tension that it can make me feel almost radioactive. This was particularly reinforced by seeing Liars play the record live. For those that can't understand what's appealing about it, imagine seeing 500 people dance to it. I did, it can happen.

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Liars was my #1, and I understand that it's both polarizing and a tough listen for many folks. Apart from all the meticulous layers and drony, rhythmic movement that others have mentioned, I would add that when you start to get into it, the whole record becomes so electrifying and filled with energy that it can make you flip. Even the drony sections are filled with so much static tension that it can make me feel almost radioactive. This was particularly reinforced by seeing Liars play the record live. For those that can't understand what's appealing about it, imagine seeing 500 people dance to it. I did, it can happen.


Well put. I have a hard time writing about stuff I like without getting too wordy and rambling, but this says pretty succinctly what I would like to have said.

And I really wish I would have gone to see them. I can't remember why I missed that show.


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i enjoyed Cat Power but it's not in my top 20. top 50 maybe. i haven't been keeping up with the voting and the top lists so i'm really curious to see the Obner top 5 (you know, the records that really matter).

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I thought Monty did a fine job on the Cat Power blurb. And I wonder who ties Timmyjoe's shoelaces for him?


haha

and hey wow...something that i've heard and liked actually made the list. this is by far her best work.


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none of these are on my list. i do like the cat power album, it's a great listen but i'm not that into it.

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hated the liars album
cat power - meh
destroyer - i dug

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With Scott Walker, Liars and Fiery Furnaces on my list, I'm thinking I don't have a "Put It On For Party Guests" 2006 Top 20.


And Joanna. Man, you have terrible taste.

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I don't have a "Put It On For Party Guests" 2006 Top 20.

I'm sure all those imaginary party guests are heartbroken.


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