is it sexist?

and is it racist to say that is sexist?

discuss please.

(obviously a huge generalization in the thread title but you know what im saying eh... i started this thread because this other thread got off topic...
http://www.obner.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=28779
i thought the off topic was a hell of a lot more interesting

I don't know if I would say Rap and Hip/Hop is racist by its very nature. However, much of the commercially released and popular music in this genre currently would definitely fit the mold. I think the racist portion of it would come in when you assume that the fashion and appearance of some 16-25 year old black male that links them to a "rap culture" implies that they are sexist. When you move from the genre of music and apply it to a specific group of people at its root joined together by race then you could slip into racism. However, stating this or that is sexist is by no means inherently racist, IMO.

For every song that is sexist, you could easily find another that espouses something completely opposite promoting respect, etc.

Yes and no...a large percentage of rap music is sexist, but often gets a pass because white people who care about things like decrying sexism are often the same ones too afraid of being seen as racist to critisize a musical movement largely defined by black people.

Not all rap is sexist. And, frankly, I still like some that is. But, pretending there isn't a huge wave of rap music out there that treats women as nothing other than sex objects with no regard for them as people is absurd.

And, I completely oppose a notion from the other thread that it is OK for black people to make this argument but not white people...and actually was figuring that to be a joke...but ya never know.

Some of everything is sexist and racist. Rap just is louder about it than some other things are.

IMO
i feel like black culture is more free spirited about sex
and the word "bitch" takes on a completely different meaning in rap music than it does in other genres...
that being said... i feel that country music and pop music or ____ music are all equally demeaning towards women (making assumptions about the woman's role... yada yada)
and to point the finger in the direction of one genre and say "oh no you dont get to talk to women that way" is racist...

yea it was a joke but you never can tell wif me

lol

i don't think there's anything inherently sexist about a lot of the stuff i hear on the hot jamz station. there's an assload of rap and r&b tracks about meeting some girl at the club and taking her home. i don't see anything particularly demeaning or sexist about one night stands (if a girl goes out and does the same thing, is it demeaning to the guy?)
i'd even argue that a lot of rappers are less sexist than some of the people they're sampling. people like james brown and joe tex weren't exactly on the cutting edge of gender equality--"i gotchya" is on some borderline rapist shit. and even within rap music, i can't think of anything out right now that even approaches the levels of misogyny in early n.w.a. or willie d.

(i.e. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKZ1a6v46ek)

men are sexist pigs

I couldn't care less what either group thinks, so, my favorite rap is violent, and misogynistic, especially about rape, and killing hookers.

Loogs, you would have made a great Roman Senator at the Coliseum.

"These gladiators ain't shit. Bring on some lion ass."

woah woah woah, killing hookers?

I've told y'all many, many times that EFIL4ZAGGIN is the best hip hop album ever.

I think at times it can be (see--the gratutious usage of alchohol being poured over asses), but then again it probably isn't any more sexist than say, Poison or Warrent's "Cherry Pie" was in their heyday. Probably one of the reasons that we are having this discussion is that rap is such a cultural piece. Its on the forefront of so many things in this country, that we are literally struck in the face with it. Calling one thing more sexist than the other may be a bit presumptuous.

Gangsta N.I.P? He fits that mold.