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remembering joe strummer, wealthy spokesman of the oppressed

I was close enough to see his teeth, those stumpy, rotten, yellow-and-brown tombstones that signified he'd lived a HARD life. That jagged mouth spat thunderous fury against the rich and powerful. A rabid Clash fanatic, I had muscled my way up to front-and-center stage and stood the entire concert about three feet away from Joe Strummer, that honest outlaw, that wrathful prophet of the dispossessed, that man whose bad teeth sought to leave deep fang marks in the ass of global injustice.

I'd never seen anyone sweat so much. The sweat poured from his face down his neck, down his guitar strap, and onto the stage. After a few songs, he stood on a sweat puddle three feet in diameter. I feared he might even electrocute himself.

It was like being attacked by an army, mercilessly pummeled by massive sonic steel artillery. I wondered how sounds of such magnitude could come from mere guitars. It was the most powerful musical performance I've ever witnessed. No one else ever came remotely close. The Clash had stolen Thor's hammer and beat me up with it.

This was back in 1980 at the Tower Theater right outside of Philly. The Clash were on tour to promote "London Calling," an album that didn't have nearly the force of their live show. The next night, me and some friends drove over to Jersey to see The Ramones, who had visited Britain in 1976 and were subsequently plagiarized by every British punk band that followed, including The Clash.

But there was no comparison. The Clash blew them away. The Ramones were a good rock 'n' roll band. The Clash were something blinding, something frightening, a primordial fist knocking out all your teeth.

At the time, rock critics led me to understand that the reason for this was because The Clash's music was POLITICAL, whereas The Ramones sang about sniffin' shoe polish with girls. Joe Strummer was described as "a highly articulate rabble-rouser for the dispossessed," a man who was "working-class," even "proletarian." Every Clash song was an anti-rich, pro-poor rave-up about how fucked-up the wealthy are, and isn't it great we're a little garage band from garageland, and the truth is only known by guttersnipes, and wouldn't it be cool if one day pasty-white Joe Strummer woke up as a dreadlocked Jamaican musician, à la Watermelon Man?

The problem, for me at least, is that Joe Strummer was born to wealth. His father was a British diplomat...a representative of the nation which colonized Africa and Asia and caused many of the Third World problems that fashionably leftist Joey-come-latelys could come along and decry...all while making millions and doing little to solve the problems. Joe spent his youth not in the Cockney London which he would later ape as part of his stage persona, but as a diplomat's son in Turkey, Egypt, Germany, and Mexico. When he returned to England, he enrolled in a private boarding school.

He learned the gentle art of slumming very well, though. He even dropped out of art school! As a London subway busker in the early 70s, he fused his birth name (John Graham Mellor) with that of American folk singer Woody Guthrie and called himself "Woody Mellor." He also spent some time squatting in flats, presumably to see how "real people" lived. In 1982, at the height of The Clash's popularity, millionaire Joe disappeared for three weeks to try "living like a bum." How cute! The pro-Marxist Clash even once tried to arrange a concert in communist East Germany, but German authorities were frightened of their "inflammatory" lyrics and denied them.

Wonderful! That stands right up there with psycho feminist author Andrea Dworkin helping to write such strict anti-pornography laws in Canada, her OWN BOOKS were seized by Canadian Customs as being obscene. The Clash, who waved a Red flag wherever they went, would have been silenced and probably jailed...or even lobotomized...in the sort of Red People's Utopia they championed from afar. Communism proposed to uplift common people but wound up killing and torturing those commoners in numbers that would have made the Nazis jealous.

Over the years following that transcendent live show in 1980, I watched The Clash devolve from an unstoppable force of nature to a cheesy arena-rock band whose horrible doodlings in 3rd World riddim were not only insulting to everyone in the 3rd World, but to anyone who was forced to endure their sloppy, embarrassingly self-indulgent three-album sets. When me and my droogies were tooling around Philly in our car and heard the insipid "Should I Stay or Should I Go?" for the first time on the radio, we laughed at how low the band had fallen. Still, we went to see them again in 1982, only to witness a heartbreakingly hollow, mannered performance sucked clean of all The Clash's prior atom-splitting energy. To compensate, they now had a fucking LIGHT SHOW with scary POLICE LIGHTS and everything. The Clash, probably because they now sucked, went on to become MTV stars and were touring with The Who. These strident anti-capitalists eventually allowed "Should I Stay or Should I Go?" to be used in a Levi's commercial.

Worst of all, there were even rumors that Joe Strummer had used some of his lucre to buy himself a spankin'-white new set of teeth.

Wealth doesn't bother me. Neither does celebrity. And I don't think it's wrong for rich people to feel BAD about the poor. But it bothers the FUCK out of me when they PRETEND they're poor. And I'm irked that Joe Strummer, who SEEMED so authentic, was just another in a long tradition of rich white kids pretending they're oppressed...and getting away with it. In the end, he was just a studio gangsta. Fool wasn't even FROM Compton.

He died of a heart attack right before Christmas, and officials were summoned to remove him from his million-dollar home. I was saddened. I'm also confused. If he was a phony, why was that show back in 1980 so powerful? I can only conclude that Joe Strummer was angry he WASN'T poor. REALLY, REALLY angry about it. Not angry enough about it to sell off his belongings and go live with poor people, but angry nonetheless.

It still doesn't explain the bad teeth, though.


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Thanks for posting. Goddamn Joe Strummer for not being suitably poor.

I am now calling the Beatles out for claiming "All You Need Is Love." Not really true, is it?


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Great little editorial. Did Strummer even write "Should I Stay or Should I Go"? This is a great bookend thread to the DK/Jello thread.

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johnny cash aparently never shot a man in reno, just to watch him die.

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every band needs rich kids whose parents can buy gear and bail them out while on tour.


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fuse Wrote:
Thanks for posting. Goddamn Joe Strummer for not being suitably poor.

I am now calling the Beatles out for claiming "All You Need Is Love." Not really true, is it?


Actually, I have always considered the Beatles as big giant fakes, singing "all you need is love" and speaking out against masterialism while driving in their Rolls Royces. I think those guys were always full of shit.

But, to me, the piece is less a condemnation of Joe Strummer than a reminder of how the whole culture of "keeping it real" is so much bullshit.


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jewels santana Wrote:
johnny cash aparently never shot a man in reno, just to watch him die.


That bastard wasn't even ever in prison, except to play songs.

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Stone Wrote:
jewels santana Wrote:
johnny cash aparently never shot a man in reno, just to watch him die.


That bastard wasn't even ever in prison, except to play songs.


didn't he spend a night in jail for picking wild flowers?

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jewels santana Wrote:
johnny cash aparently never shot a man in reno, just to watch him die.


Johnny Cash did however, sing any number of songs that did relate to his personal views and readily acknowledgted that he was never in prison and was nowhere the sort of outlaw some of his songs portrayed.

One question that a comparison of the situations brings up to me is whether or not it matters if an artist is talking out his ass or from experience...and if the artist is under any sort of obligation to allow the public an idea whether they are proffering a persona or not.

Oh...and jail aint prison


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She came from Greece she had a thirst for knowledge,
she studied sculpture at Saint Martin's College,
that's where I,
caught her eye.
She told me that her Dad was loaded,
I said "In that case I'll have a rum and coca-cola."
She said "Fine."
and in thirty seconds time she said,

"I want to live like common people,
I want to do whatever common people do,
I want to sleep with common people,
I want to sleep with common people,
like you."

Well what else could I do -
I said "I'll see what I can do."
I took her to a supermarket,
I don't know why but I had to start it somewhere,
so it started there.
I said pretend you've got no money,
she just laughed and said,
"Oh you're so funny."
I said "yeah?
Well I can't see anyone else smiling in here.
Are you sure you want to live like common people,
you want to see whatever common people see,
you want to sleep with common people,
you want to sleep with common people,
like me."
But she didn't understand,
she just smiled and held my hand.
Rent a flat above a shop,
cut your hair and get a job.
Smoke some fags and play some pool,
pretend you never went to school.
But still you'll never get it right,
cos when you're laid in bed at night,
watching roaches climb the wall,
if you call your Dad he could stop it all.

You'll never live like common people,
you'll never do what common people do,
you'll never fail like common people,
you'll never watch your life slide out of view,
and dance and drink and screw,
because there's nothing else to do.

Sing along with the common people,
sing along and it might just get you through,
laugh along with the common people,
laugh along even though they're laughing at you,
and the stupid things that you do.
Because you think that poor is cool.

I want to live with common people,
I want to live with common people etc...


Who cares?
He was goddamn Joe Fucking Strummer, for chrissakes!

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now, jarvis... you can hear that different class is the record he was born to make.


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Actually, I have always considered the Beatles as big giant fakes, singing "all you need is love" and speaking out against masterialism while driving in their Rolls Royces. I think those guys were always full of shit.


Oh yeah. I'm just finishing that latest Beatles bio. Assholes all the way - flakey, hypocritical, misogynistic, all that shit. What a mess they turned into. Except for maybe Ringo.


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A bunch of lysics to COmmon People...I think by Pulp


Who cares?
He was goddamn Joe Fucking Strummer, for chrissakes!


Excellent comparison. Now, ask yourself...is the girl in the song a sympathetic character? Do you have compassion or comtempt for her?

(personally, I think a lot would depend on her tits, but ya know...in general.)


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nobody Wrote:
Actually, I have always considered the Beatles as big giant fakes, singing "all you need is love" and speaking out against masterialism while driving in their Rolls Royces. I think those guys were always full of shit.


Oh yeah. I'm just finishing that latest Beatles bio. Assholes all the way - flakey, hypocritical, misogynistic, all that shit. What a mess they turned into. Except for maybe Ringo.


Hey, I'll never say they werren't a huge an influential band and all that. I just never have liked 'em. A few tracks here and there, but mostly, just nothing for me. More hippie crap that was way overvalued both spiritually and culturally in my estimation. If you dig 'em great, you sure as shit don't need my approval...just as I don't need yours to dislike them.


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PopTodd Wrote:
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A bunch of lysics to COmmon People...I think by Pulp


Who cares?
He was goddamn Joe Fucking Strummer, for chrissakes!


Excellent comparison. Now, ask yourself...is the girl in the song a sympathetic character? Do you have compassion or comtempt for her?

(personally, I think a lot would depend on her tits, but ya know...in general.)


A bit of contempt for both.
Each are elitist in their own way.
But the girl is trying to expand her worldview in her own selfish way.

I don't think that Joe's intentions were selfish. I think he was as sincere as any rock star could be. Certainly moreso than Bono. (Who does great work, but is always desperately clammoring for attention.)

A person can't help what they're born into.
But they can help what they do with their life after they're born.

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The guy who wrote this an ass.

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Yail Bloor Wrote:
The guy who wrote this an ass.


What he said.

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ya might like his Redneck Manifesto, Bloor

And, really why is pointing out that heroes aren't perfect so wrong?

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nobody Wrote:
Actually, I have always considered the Beatles as big giant fakes, singing "all you need is love" and speaking out against masterialism while driving in their Rolls Royces. I think those guys were always full of shit.


Oh yeah. I'm just finishing that latest Beatles bio. Assholes all the way - flakey, hypocritical, misogynistic, all that shit. What a mess they turned into. Except for maybe Ringo.


Hey, I'll never say they werren't a huge an influential band and all that. I just never have liked 'em. A few tracks here and there, but mostly, just nothing for me. More hippie crap that was way overvalued both spiritually and culturally in my estimation. If you dig 'em great, you sure as shit don't need my approval...just as I don't need yours to dislike them.


No, I agree. I wasn't being sarcastic. They were completely full of shit. I've enjoyed reading about the backgound of the songs and the nuts and bolts of the studio stuff, but those guys could be pretty dispicable by a lot of standards. And stupid, too. I'm a fan and it baffles me that they got anything accomplished after "Help!"

Except for Ringo.


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True, this is FOX news editorialism all the way. Somehow trying to seem 'EXTREME' while pointing out that some people werent really poor.


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nobody Wrote:

And, really why is pointing out that heroes aren't perfect so wrong?


Pointing it out is fine, its just the blatant class warrior tone of this guys piece that irks me. I mean, hey fella, in other news there is no Easter Bunny. Everything he blames Joe Strummer for I have to turn around and blame him for right back because he bought into an entertainers schtick.

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Yeah, I could see his class warfare stuff getting on your nerves...although I'm fine with it and much prefer it to the generally espoused racial warefare that we are fed regularly through the media.

BUT

Do you really think he is so singularly misguided to buy into an entertainer's schtick?

C'mon, how many times do people here and all over the place start making assumptions about musicians because of their public personas?

Do you really think he is in the minority doing this?

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who wrote it?

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Jim Goad

Here's another example of his stuff...

http://www.vladimirusa.com/images/AM1st ... isalie.jpg


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Yeah, I could see his class warfare stuff getting on your nerves...although I'm fine with it and much prefer it to the generally espoused racial warefare that we are fed regularly through the media.


That really fucking annoys me, too.


nobody Wrote:
Do you really think he is so singularly misguided to buy into an entertainer's schtick?


I would hope not, though the tone of his piece would indicate otherwise


nobody Wrote:
Do you really think he is in the minority doing this?


No way man. Everybody does that to some degree.

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