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Too Late for Katie, Town Tackles a Drug's Scourge
By JODI WILGOREN

Published: February 10, 2005

CROTHERSVILLE, Ind., Feb. 9 - John Neace forces himself to pass by the run-down apartment buildings every day. Inside, the police say, Mr. Neace's 10-year-old daughter stumbled on someone with methamphetamine last month. Her drowned body was found five days later at a nearby creek, small hands tied tightly behind her back.

As dime and dollar donations poured in from around the corner and around the country for the little girl's burial, Mr. Neace, whose $14.75-an-hour factory job barely covers the $400 monthly rent on his trailer, had a thought: What if he could buy the hated buildings, bulldoze them and build a playground in their place?

"Katie may be gone, but she's going to live forever in this town," Mr. Neace, 35, said of his daughter, Katlyn Collman. "We're taking down one meth house - you probably can't take them all down, but it's sending a message. We're taking our town back."

Katie's Jan. 25 disappearance, and the Feb. 2 arrest of an unemployed high school dropout, have shaken this small town out of silence about the scourge of methamphetamine.

Like many similar communities across the nation's midsection, Crothersville, 40 miles north of Louisville and with a population of 1,541, has seen methamphetamine steadily seep into its streets.

When the roof of a house behind the funeral home exploded in December, a makeshift meth lab was found in the fire. Another lab, spitball distance from the school, was raided earlier last year. The uncle of the young man now facing charges of killing Katie wrote a letter to the town council two years ago beseeching the members to do something about drugs before someone got killed.

But many residents said they had been scared to report suspicions in a community where everyone seems somehow related. Others complained that the three-man police force too often looks the other way - the man who lived at the house behind the funeral home has yet to face charges, and two complaints about methamphetamine use at the dilapidated Penn Villa apartments in the days before Katie's death yielded no arrests.

Now, as people here comfort the families of the victim and of the suspect, stories are spilling out, in a town seemingly transformed.

The pastor who preached at Katie's funeral is organizing Crothersville's first-ever neighborhood watch. Shady characters no longer stalk the streets of the one-stoplight town, where ribbons of blue, Katie's favorite color, hang from utility poles and porches. Gone, too, are the bike-riding and dog-walking youngsters, now let outside to play only with their parents, or in groups.

"This town is not going to be known, and these people are not going to let it be known, for a murder," declared Terry Gray, the assistant chief of the volunteer fire department, who has pledges for $100,000 of the $400,000 he estimates will be needed to buy the Penn Villa apartments and build the park. "They're going to be known as a town that took a bad situation and made it something good."

But amid the pride in the prospect for change that the proposed playground represents, there is shame that it came to this.

"It's changed too late," said Misty Banks, who works at the Butcher Block convenience store, where she gave Reese's peanut butter cups and Popsicles to Katie even when she could not pay. "They've known it's been going on this whole time, and they have to wait until a 10-year-old's dead?"

Katie, whose surname is that of her mother because she was born before her parents were married, was a fourth grader who loved animals and the Disney Channel. She came home that Tuesday afternoon bubbling about a pajama party planned at school the next day, her mother, Angela, said.

And at 3:10 p.m., Katie headed to the Dollar General store a few blocks away to pick up some toilet paper. She apparently swung by the People's Bank to grab a lollipop, and stopped at the Penn Villa apartments to tell a resident that a dog had been hit by a train on the adjacent track.

She never came back.


By nightfall, scores of volunteers were combing the countryside, on A.T.V.'s and on horseback. A state trooper found her body on Jan. 30 in a creek that runs off Cypress Lake, 18 miles up Interstate 65.

For local residents, who presumed Katie had been abducted by a stranger, the tragedy deepened with the arrest on murder charges of Charles Hickman, 20, a fixture in front of his family's trailer on Crothersville's main street, just across from the Dollar General and Penn Villa.

Known as Chuckie, Mr. Hickman had a couple of curfew violations as a juvenile but no police record as an adult. The children who used to shoot baskets with him at the high school hardly recognized the wan face of his mug shot.

According to an affidavit submitted by the F.B.I., Mr. Hickman told investigators that Katie saw people producing or using methamphetamine at the apartments, "so they decided to scare her with the hope that she would be intimidated enough to keep her observations to herself."

Mr. Hickman, according to the affidavit, said he took Katie to the creek in a borrowed pickup truck.

"Hickman stated first that Collman tried to run away and fell into the creek, but also said that he might have 'bumped' her into the water," the affidavit read. "In any event, Hickman watched, left the area with Collman's unmoving body still in the creek."

Two others, including the truck's owner, Timothy O'Sullivan, and a 17-year-old whose name is being withheld, have been arrested on charges of lying to the police, who continue to search for co-conspirators. Sgt. Jerry Gooding of the state police, spokesman for a multi-agency task force of 50 officers, said they had combed through only 20 percent of some 500 leads so far.

In an interview, Mr. Hickman's mother, Sandy, acknowledged that her son had been addicted to drugs, including meth, for perhaps two years, but said he had falsely confessed to involvement in the crime for fear of being killed himself.

"He shook his head and he goes, 'No, Mom' - he looked me in the eye, and he never looks me in the eye," Ms. Hickman said of her jailhouse conversation with her son on Sunday. "I'm scared for the whole town. If they don't stop this drug stuff, it's going to happen again."

Indeed, the authorities say that up to 90 percent of recent crime in these parts is tied to drugs, mostly methamphetamine, a powerful and addictive stimulant that can be made from cold medicine and farm chemicals.

In Jackson County, which includes Crothersville, meth-related arrests skyrocketed to 116 in 2004 from 29 in 2002. There have been 187 methamphetamine labs seized in the county since the first two were found in 1998, as lab seizures statewide climbed steadily to 1,549 last year from 177 in 1999.

"If we had a brothel move into town, people would close it down instantly," said the Rev. Jon Pearce of the First Baptist Church here. "If we had an X-rated movie house come, it'd be gone within a week. But this has been here. It is a monster. We didn't know what kind of monster it was."

Lifelong residents say Crothersville has been changed, like a child coming of age. Marty Hoevener said he checks what his 10-year-old son and 7-year-old daughter are wearing each morning, for fear of having to describe them to the police.

Marsha Fink, a bank teller, said, "my doors are locked now." Mr. Pearce is ordering lights for the alley behind his church's gym, and no longer lets children wander out during activities.

People who had been frustrated with the local police are thrilled that the task force, including county, state and federal agencies, continues to camp at the firehouse, with seemingly new resolve to stamp out drugs. "Anyone who tells themselves it's not a problem in their area is fooling themselves," said Sergeant Goodin. "Are we stupid enough to think we got them all? No way. It's something we're going to stay on."

Neighbors who had not spoken for decades now meet to discuss plans for the playground; Katie's father even met with Chuckie's sister and two uncles, telling them, "I want you to wave at me as you always do." Some 1,600 people paraded through the funeral home over two days to pay their respects.

Everywhere, the beatific grin in her school picture beams from buttons, T-shirts, and framed funeral programs. In the Neaces' trailer, a large painted version is propped on the ice box, behind a ceramic angel and under a butterfly balloon.

Near midnight Monday, after his wife and mother-in-law had gone to sleep, Mr. Neace sat in his worn beige recliner, staring at his daughter's smile.

"I thought, now's my time, finally I'm alone, I can do a little grieving," Mr. Neace recalled. "I wanted to cry. I didn't have the tears. I looked over here, and I caught myself smiling at her."

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philly weekly's lead story is about meth too

http://www.philadelphiaweekly.com/view.php?id=8920

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yeah, there was a story in the AJC last week that said Meth has surpassed crack as Georgia's number one drug problem.

I know TONS of people who do that shit, none are as depraved as the people depicted in these stories, but I guess there's always potential.

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http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonia ... 622151.xml

click on the photo links for the story....disturbing.

why anyone would put themselves through that.


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yeah, there was a story in the AJC last week that said Meth has surpassed crack as Georgia's number one drug problem.

I know TONS of people who do that shit, none are as depraved as the people depicted in these stories, but I guess there's always potential.


Sadly, two of my best friends from college have had siblings go through meth addiction. The last one I heard just horrified me... the sister of my friend was married to a meth addict. Obviously he wasn't always this way. She said she'd get phone calls from her kids, who were with him, and they were at a hotel, didn't know where the hotel was or how to describe it to her, and "Dad had left and hadn't come back yet." Just chilling.

In both situations, it was the men who got addicted to the meth, and the women had to leave and take the children with them. Also, in both situations, the dads had taken their kids with them on occasion when scoring meth. Very scary stuff. (also both of these incidents took place in Atlanta)


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yeah, there was a story in the AJC last week that said Meth has surpassed crack as Georgia's number one drug problem.

I know TONS of people who do that shit, none are as depraved as the people depicted in these stories, but I guess there's always potential.


Sadly, two of my best friends from college have had siblings go through meth addiction. The last one I heard just horrified me... the sister of my friend was married to a meth addict. Obviously he wasn't always this way. She said she'd get phone calls from her kids, who were with him, and they were at a hotel, didn't know where the hotel was or how to describe it to her, and "Dad had left and hadn't come back yet." Just chilling.

In both situations, it was the men who got addicted to the meth, and the women had to leave and take the children with them. Also, in both situations, the dads had taken their kids with them on occasion when scoring meth. Very scary stuff. (also both of these incidents took place in Atlanta)


None of the folks I know are doing things like this, but they are definitely professional drug abusers and not just meth freaks..hard to make a distinction, but let's just say they've done their share and may know their way around a little better.

I do know that Jonesboro, Stockbridge, Henry County are hotbeds of dat meth, and rural/South Georgia may just be worse, or at least where a lot of the shit comes from.

It's basically white-trash crack, and is apparently more addicting and has worse side effects. YEEEECH!

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i don't think that we had meth when i was a kid, or at the very least i saw everything else but never that. i've still only seen it in movies.


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it used to be pretty heavy down here in the club/rave scene around 1997-1999. you could easily tell who was on it [eyes darting, twitching, picking at skin]. and these were kids, probably 17-20 yrs old.


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i don't think that we had meth when i was a kid, or at the very least i saw everything else but never that. i've still only seen it in movies.


It was mostly "crank" when I was in high school, now the kids call it "ice" and they smoke it, and it's some serious shit.

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i don't think that we had meth when i was a kid, or at the very least i saw everything else but never that. i've still only seen it in movies.


It was mostly "crank" when I was in high school


I concur. Meth back then wasn't what it is today. Not nearly as addictive. More of a "okay, I need to wake up so I get shit done today" kind of thing.


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one of the few drugs that's been offered to me that i turned down
glad i made that choice.

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Senator LooGAR Wrote:
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I know TONS of people who do that shit, none are as depraved as the people depicted in these stories, but I guess there's always potential.


None of the folks I know are doing things like this, but they are definitely professional drug abusers and not just meth freaks..hard to make a distinction, but let's just say they've done their share and may know their way around a little better.


don't kid yourself. rich or poor, a drug addict is a drug addict--never to be trusted. ever. there are different levels of depravity but that may just be a matter of time and/or circumstance.


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I know TONS of people who do that shit, none are as depraved as the people depicted in these stories, but I guess there's always potential.


None of the folks I know are doing things like this, but they are definitely professional drug abusers and not just meth freaks..hard to make a distinction, but let's just say they've done their share and may know their way around a little better.


don't kid yourself. rich or poor, a drug addict is a drug addict--never to be trusted. ever. there are different levels of depravity but that may just be a matter of time and/or circumstance.


All drug users are not in fact drug addicts, though. and that's the distinction I'm drawing here.

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Senator LooGAR Wrote:
All drug users are not in fact drug addicts, though. and that's the distinction I'm drawing here.


there are drug addicts who commit crimes and drug addicts that don't.

there are drug abusers who do not commit crimes and some who do.

my problem is that when people (and i'm not talking about you personally) start qualifying themselves as "better" in terms of drug abuse or alcoholism, it's a huge red flag for me.


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ayah Wrote:
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All drug users are not in fact drug addicts, though. and that's the distinction I'm drawing here.


there are drug addicts who commit crimes and drug addicts that don't.

there are drug abusers who do not commit crimes and some who do.

my problem is that when people (and i'm not talking about you personally) start qualifying themselves as "better" in terms of drug abuse or alcoholism, it's a huge red flag for me.


I hear you, Laura. Again, glad I never got into the whole drug thing.


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what happened to a good ol' doobie?


we smoked it last night. remember?

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All drug users are not in fact drug addicts, though. and that's the distinction I'm drawing here.


there are drug addicts who commit crimes and drug addicts that don't.

there are drug abusers who do not commit crimes and some who do.

my problem is that when people (and i'm not talking about you personally) start qualifying themselves as "better" in terms of drug abuse or alcoholism, it's a huge red flag for me.


There are also drug users who just like to get their buzz on. That's all I'm saying. Not everyone who ocassionally uses whatever drug is addicted to it. I know you smoke the reefer, but I doubt you consider yourself an addict. I drink (oftentimes copious amounts) but I'm not an alcoholic....there is a line that gets crossed, not sure where it is, or what it is, that makes people addicts, and this in turn may or may not affect their criminal behavior.

I don't understand what you mean by 'better' as in 'less sick' or higher sense of self? Maybe that would clarify. I think I am 'better' than everybody, I'm also 'less sick' than many people I know involved w/ drugs or alcohol.

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What is it with Indiana and meth? They busted a lab in a Super 8 by my school a few months after I graduated. The jackass was buying several bottles of Clorox per week from the Handy Andy.


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The jackass was buying several bottles of Clorox per week from the Handy Andy.


Is that your brother's code name?

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aren't there a lot of meth-dealing amish people in indiana?


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This stuff is absolutely eating the area where I live alive. Rural South, that seems to be the hardest hit area. Black folk are still mainly using crack. It's the poor white trash that are all over the meth. There are labs everywhere. A sheriff's dept. employee was at our church speaking about it last week. Supposedly even the waste products from the production are lethal and are thrown out wherever the addict/cooker wants to throw it. I've been leary of drugs before, but this stuff terrifies me.

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