http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld ... nes-nation

can anyone support this illegal behavior from our executive branch?

even when i think this douche can't shock, he continues to do so. thankfully, he's not president, b/c he has a very tyrannical bent.

That administration breaks the law every day.

And we sit with our thumbs up our butts, complacent.

it makes me so furious...

it really makes me wonder if we'll have a tyranny eventually. this kind of extra constitutional behavior is tyrannical. this should be enough to impeach cheney in my opinion.

Maybe I'm a little off today, but isn't there something in the constitution about how, if you are unhappy with the work of your government, you can throw them out and start anew?

he's doing exactly what he do. What's intolerable is that there isn't FAR more outrage over shit like this. People should be clamoring for his hide.

and how many times does this national security shit work, anyhow?

The AG stands by the Veep, the Veep stands by the AG, the Prez stands by both.

Impeachment or Supreme Court action stop this, but it won't happen until there are non-Waxlosi types in power with actual heuvos.

I want detailed, public, specific, unwavering outrage followed by concrete action, not bullshit bluster and impotent handwringing.

But it won't happen under this thoroughly retarded congressional leadership.

And "inconvenient" laws continue to be ignored.

in my opinion, blatent law breaking by the executives should merit rapid impeachment.

this country is so whipped it's pathetic.

Assuming "the republic" makes it through this period, histories of America 100 years from now will remark on the mistakes of the Iraq venture, but the biggest story of these years will be the threat to constitutional liberty and the attempt to overide the law by an out of control executive branch.

harry agreed. it's staggering how few of us see the gravity of the threat. the executive branch is currently operating extra constitutionally and are essentially tyrants, unconstrained by our constitution.

it mystifies me that america hasn't realized.

ben franklin said, "we have a republic, if you can keep it." how prescient. i'm not sure we have kept it through this admin.

We have realized. We do nothing.

ugh.

By & large, I dunno how many people DO realize the depth of what's going on. For example - at work, I never, NEVER hear people discuss this kinda thing. It's all American Idol/Paris Hilton/whateverwhiteladyismissingthisweek .

Not that we all have to sit around & have a fuckin' roundtable discussion about it at work, but...

For most of history the vast majority of people didn't care about politics.

With a few exceptions such as Classical Athens, the masses let the leaders get on with things provided it didn't effect them too much right up until the 19th century.

It was only with the trickle down of the Enlightenment that politics and ideology became a concern for the majority of citizens.

This was an anomoly in human history.

We are now entering an age of post politics. Virtually nothing of the totems of mass politics really have any meaning any more. There is no class system , the nation state in the era of multi national business has become almost redundant, left and right wing political ideologies are now extinct.

Mass politics, whether you like it or not, is no longer relevent to the masses. In essence, with the disappearance of mass politics, things are getting 'back to normal'.

In the future, provided Government does not interfere with the sole belief western people have, Consumerism, no will care a jot what people like Cheney get up to in the corridors of power. Accountability is already a thing of the past because it is no longer relevent.

If that depresses you then you are simply the product of a blip in history.

i didn't really understand most of that, but what makes you say there is no class system?

Cheney should deny having any of these files, and then in three years come out and say, "Oops, here they are. The maid found them under the coffee table."

in the la times today, bush is claiming that he is also exempt from any accountability related to national security files. this is too much for me.

seriously, can these two minidictators just get the eff out yesterday?

Much too facile dismissal of "the public sphere."

hahahahaha

It's too much, man. Too much! I'm gonna...I'm gonna...I'm gonna get really pissed.

There you have it. Now, what's on the telly?

Angler: The Cheney Vice Presidency a four part series begins today in the Post.