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Educating America's Christian Right

Energised by last year's election victory which mobilised the Christian conservative vote, the American Right has been confidently pushing a moral agenda which puts education at the heart of a battle to change US culture.

Sitting in a noisy but strangely tidy student canteen, Naomi Laine outlined her political vision.

"My intention is to impact the culture [of America]," she said.

"The people are the most important component of a society, and so that's where the battle for the minds needs to be waged."

Naomi sounds like a well-seasoned politician. But she is in fact a first year student at Patrick Henry College, America's first university established primarily for evangelical Christian home-schooled children.

Patrick Henry College is located in the small commuter town of Purcellville, Virginia.

It is only a short drive from Washington DC but just far enough away not to be influenced by the big city culture of the capital.

Founded in 2000 and with ambitious plans for expansion, the college sits on a 106-acre plot of land, dominated by the colonial grandeur of Founders Hall, the main building on the campus.

Biblical values

All the students at Patrick Henry are highly motivated, intelligent, and perform at a level to rival those in America's best known Ivy League universities.

They are also all deeply religious and committed to transforming America.

In fact all students have to sign a statement before they arrive, confirming, among other things, that they have a literal belief in the teachings of the Bible.

"We want our kids to be world changers," said Michael Farris, founder and president of Patrick Henry College.

Mr Farris, a constitutional lawyer and political activist, established the college with a very clear aim: "To prepare Christian men and women who will lead our nation and shape our culture with timeless Biblical values and fidelity to the spirit of the American founding."

"If we are going to have our values reflected in our culture, we've got to train our kids in those values and train them for leadership," Mr Farris said. "And so this is a very concerted effort to train top leaders."

Political training

Mr Farris is one of the leading figures in the Christian revival taking place in America today.

More than 90% of the population say they believe in God, while 70% are Christian.

Mr Farris is training a new generation who will place Christian beliefs at the heart of their social and political activities.

"Christians do have something to say in politics," said Mr Farris. "We have as much right as anybody else to speak our mind and assert our values."

The values Mr Farris wants to instil in his students are those of the conservative Right.

Freedom is the key concept, and for Mr Farris freedom means the right to hold private property, and self-government.

He sees a limited role for the federal government, with decision-making being taken only by elected officials.

He is not a fan of the UN or the Supreme Court because they are unelected.

He is also vehemently opposed to abortion and same-sex marriage.

Conservative conspiracy?

With President George W Bush in the White House and a Republican dominated Congress, the time seems right for Mr Farris and Patrick Henry College.

His students already have a level of access to Washington politics that few universities in the US can match.

Also, some 22 conservative members of Congress have employed interns from Patrick Henry over the past few years.

Critics see the college's very close connections to Mr Bush's White House as evidence of a conservative conspiracy to take over the institutions of power.

But Mark Rozell, professor of public policy at Washington DC's George Mason University, sees it differently:

"What Michael Farris is doing with Patrick Henry College is a perfectly legitimate part of the political landscape," he said.

"If other people feel threatened by it, they've got to get out there and mobilise their folks to be well-trained, serving internships, getting to Washington and so forth."

Democrat response

It is a message that is beginning to be heard.

Since November's election, leading Democrats such as Hilary Clinton are looking at how they can also engage in the language of God.

Jim Wallis, one of America's leading evangelical preachers, said it was time to end the Republican stranglehold on faith-based politics:

"Somehow Jesus has become pro-rich, pro-war and only pro-America," he said.

"How did this ever happen? Our faith has been stolen and it's time to take it back.

"There's a growing progressive evangelical movement in the US which cares about poverty and the environment and we're talking about what it means to apply faith to our politics."

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if some of these people get into office with powers, with their "literal belief in the teachings of the bible," i wanna move as far away from america as possible. its scarry stuff, at least for me. how is someone who interprets the teachings of the bible literally any different from a muslim interpreting the teachings of the koran literally? yes, you can say the christians dont resort to terrorism (although i would rebut with northern ireland), but i think both are equally dangerous. its hypocritcal to say to countries around the world that they should have liberal democracies with moderate democratic leaders, when america has a liberal democracy with the most right leaning, non moderate democratic leaders in the world.


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The people are the most important component of a society


Really, now? I could have sworn it was something else. Like sandworms or slate chips or something.


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Nazi Youth Camp?

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That's just really, really, really, creepy. This is the stuff that scares non-US residents.

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if some of these people get into office with powers, with their "literal belief in the teachings of the bible," i wanna move as far away from america as possible.


You have heard of our current president, right?


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I try and not get too weirded out by this kind of stuff but that officially gave me the Heebee Geebees.

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It's funny how Patrick Henry has become such a hero. Sure, he was one of the best public speakers of the 18th century and sure he was an effective leader.

He also opposed the ratification of the U.S. constitution and was generally considered a difficult asshole by most of his contemporaries. He did fight for the Bill Of Rights, though.

Probably would not take kindly to what he would see as religious zealots usurping his name, though. He fought for religious freedom, not for the sort of moral-imposed state that this group is interested in.


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it is strange how the Christian extremests focus on such minor things as gay rights and abortion and not . . . oh i don't know, starving children.

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So far, I don't really have a problem with this.

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There is nothing new or unusual about this school. There are probably a hundred similar institutions in this country.


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I grew up in a religious extremist environment. Within that sphere of extremism were some very nice people. But their ideas of the reasons liberals and non-believers do the things they do are so skewed and wrapped up in pining-for-heaven weirdness, cryptic legalism and literal intrepretation of bible prophecy that they have no means of relating to the greater world that doesn't seem bizarre.

If you truly believe the Bible teaches that gay sex is an abomination and that it's your personal responsibility to make sure people don't burn forever in hell, it's very easy to get wrapped up in the intolerant end of religious issues, particularly if you literally interpret that all non-Christians are "of the world". "Of the world" is code for "not in my Christian microcosm." I've known many sweet people who are Christians but their belief system makes them at once myopic and determined to impose that system on other people.

And the Christians who aren't myopic and imposing tend to be a bit pacifist and too nicey-nice and aren't much match for the legalists. Or they've become like me and have left the whole structure in disgust.


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There is nothing new or unusual about this school. There are probably a hundred similar institutions in this country.


Right. Virginia is also home to Liberty, aka Jerry Falwell U. I also remember seeing the campus of Bob Jones University in SC, and thinking "Who in their right mind wants to go to school there?". Then again, they did lift the ban on interracial dating in 2000. On a similar note, Baylor lifted their ban on dancing in 1996.

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Wheaton lifted their dancing ban recently as well. I think Pensacola Christian College still has pink and blue (metaphorically) sidewalks.


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How did we get this far without naming Tulsa's own Oral Roberts University?

I wonder what ol' Oral and his brother Anal [with apologies to Lewis Grizzard, RIP] are up to these days?

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More than 90% of the population say they believe in God, while 70% are Christian.

I find that both scary and retarded.


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Radcliffe Wrote:
Northern Soul Wrote:

More than 90% of the population say they believe in God, while 70% are Christian.

I find that both scary and retarded.


i think "christian" is a very loose defenition to most people.
going to church on christmas and easter does't mean you believe anything in the bible.


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More than 90% of the population say they believe in God, while 70% are Christian.

I find that both scary and retarded.


i think "christian" is a very loose defenition to most people.
going to church on christmas and easter does't mean you believe anything in the bible.


There's also the stigma for most people who don't feel comfortable admitting they don't believe in god or question god or have otherwise diluted religious beliefs.

People don't like to feel left out or put on the spot, so oftentimes I think they overstate their spiritual beliefs so they don't come across as heathens, even if the audience is a total stranger.

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jewels santana Wrote:
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More than 90% of the population say they believe in God, while 70% are Christian.

I find that both scary and retarded.

i think "christian" is a very loose defenition to most people.
going to church on christmas and easter does't mean you believe anything in the bible.

There's also the stigma for most people who don't feel comfortable admitting they don't believe in god or question god or have otherwise diluted religious beliefs.
People don't like to feel left out or put on the spot, so oftentimes I think they overstate their spiritual beliefs so they don't come across as heathens, even if the audience is a total stranger.

Whew. Thanks for the input, guys. I don't find it scary anymore.


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Bob Jones University(sic) better look out. It seems that there is a new front runner in the uneducation on America's youths!

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This is my main clash with the majority of the board. I happen to support everything in the original post. until you get to the -----------, that is. Scary? Retarded? Puh-leeze.

I'm down with it.

edit: support everything except the home schooling thing.

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so youre for the literal interpretation of the bible, you see a difference between a literal interpretation of the bible and the koran, and you dont think that the us government is hypocritical for supporting liberal democracies with moderate leadership when america has a liberal democracy with the most right leaning democratic leaders in the world? dont take my comments as being confrontational, i was just hoping that we could talk about these points a little more.


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The two pillars of America


so why don't you leave the country then?

oh god, it's sooooo fucking awful here.


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ah yes, the republican response to dissenters.


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