but it's so cool to hate on christians for their beliefs, and then talk about the poor poor muslims.

not a republican response, a response from someone that's tired of the whiners that constantly slag this country.

if it's so terrible here, get the fuck outta dodge.

wow.

this is going to go way over your head, but i see that as a coward's way out. the patriotic thing to do would be to stay and work to change the society rather than abort on it.

So, to recap, the original dissenting founding fathers were "whiners" for not liking the climate of rule under England? And when they established a distinction between church and state, and set up a government that made it ok not to be religious, or not christian, that was "slagging" england, correct? Because if so, count me in the whiner camp.

well, what ARE you doing to work for change? i'd love to know [especially from the people that are constantly whining about how terrible this country is].

actions speak louder than words.

You should make real sure that if you're not one of those conservatives who see the current political climate as an "opportunity" to re-christ-ify things once and for all (abortion, prayer in school, ten commandments on public buildings), you distinguish yourself at some point here, otherwise this is gonna get bad. I'm holding out for you... anyone with decent music taste CAN'T be evil.

do you really think that there's a point to having this conversation. you're not really known for being able to have a political conversation without degenerating into insults and dismissals of anything that you disagree with.

while the immediate reaction from some of y'all are "nazis" or similar quips, what are your reactions to the progressive movement in Christianity that this article has mentioned, or what you've read elsewhere?

also why is it wrong that people have a college centered around their beliefs, while receiving what sounds like a pretty good education? is it the fact that the kids who graduate from there wish to pursue a career in government? or just the fact that they choose to go to a college based on those beliefs? i know that aaron has some interesting perspectives on this.

most people on here know i'm republican, but i'm not christian. far from it.

i just don't like it when people constantly bash christians [or anyone for that matter] for their beliefs. it's lame.

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I think the scary element is that the focus seems particularly agressive in its intent upon "changing" america, whether america wants to be changed or not, which is the kernal of this particular argument, I reckon. I don't want to be changed, nor do I want to live under a hard-line christian government. What are the odds of that ever happening? I like to think they're slim, but that college doesn't. Make sense? It's the difference between Agatha Scott Methodist College in Atlanta, which focuses on a good education which a background of religion, vs a training camp for ultra-conservative young "world changers."

Says the guy that's called probably 3-4 posters on this board "idiots" in the last week alone.

dude, i don't post drunk anymore.

i think that these things become dangerous when there's a deliberate attempt to either make the laws adhere to the religon or impose the religon upon the lawmaking process. one lawmaker having a personal philosophy that informs his decisions is one thing, but when people use their faith to justify their actions then it scares me. frankly i think that all organized religon (as opposed to personal religon) is dangerous and divisive and far more destructive than beneficial.

being an idiot and bashing someone for their beliefs is much different.

you should know that [or...erm....maybe not idiot]

Is it really possible that you're missing how you're backing 90% of the bad stereotypes about conservatives? Is that really escaping you? Man o man. I know you didn't volunteer to be the spokesman for the whole movement, but on this board you're just about all there is...

True story - I went back to the How Old Are Yall post just now to see, figuring you were no more than 22 tops. Honest to god. 34??? If you can't form a decent argument without insults at this point, what hope is there for you?

uh, is this news?

thanks for filling us in.

Have it your way. No more niceties.

also, Cap'n Deez, you sure steared clear of my question.

could be because you don't have an answer.

I believe the question was, what are we doing about it, no? Yes, figuring out how to fix the problems your ilk are steering this country towards is certainly tricky. I started by not voting for that kindergartener currently sitting on the throne, nor any of his buddies at the local level. Since then, I'm not sure I'm over the depression enough to "do" something.

This is the last thing I'll say about this, because I'm juuust smart enough to see that your interest isn't really in discussing this, but in getting a rise out of people. The issue isn't really "conservative" vs "liberal," in truth. That's misleading. That's easy. The issue is really one of tolerance. If I get a republican government that's tolerant and curteous to all its citizens, I'm content to wait it out quietly and not "slag." It's the intolerance going on these days that gets our limp-wristed, liberal feathers ruffled. Intolerance is not ok, and your defense of it pretty much spells out what I need to know about you.

cop out.

There's no way in HELL you're 34.

If people's faith doesn't "justify" their actions, what's the point? I sort of think that's why people have a faith to begin with. The reason people are part of a particular religion is because they believe following that faith leads them to a better life. Granted, some have used their faith to justify some pretty horrendous things, but I think generally speaking a person's faith should strongly influence their actions or there's no point in having that faith to begin with.

Could you please point out ONE instance where somebody whines about how terrible this country is?

Being concerned about current political trends is not whining. Calling the attention of others to the issues is not whining. Admitting that you feel 70% of the population is "scary and retarded", while not very kind, is not whining. I love living in a country that allows people to express this kind of "whining" without fear of governmental reprisal - and I think the christian right wants to take this freedom away by forcing their beliefs and 'morals' on the entire nation.

So yea, I think I'll stick around dodge for a while. Get used to it.

geez...didn't ANYONE learn ANYTHING from last night's wife swap??????