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Who do you prefer - Neil Young or Bob Dylan?
Neil Young 44%  44%  [ 24 ]
Bob Dylan 56%  56%  [ 30 ]
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Dylan...never really gave a shit about Neil Young...one of those I'm supposed to like but just never have.

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I hate the Byrds covering Dylan.


Yeah, there are only a couple of those that I like, and in general I don't like Dylan covers as much as the originals.


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Why choose?

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Yeah I would like, because it would be a exercise in futility. Every example you could give I could provide evidence to the contrary where Dylan matches or betters him in every way.


you don't really endear me to have a conversation with you, but i'll put together my thoughts. I'll preface taht i didn't pick a favorite. I love them both, and saying one is better than the other is indeed silly. But i think when it comes to their respective instruments that Neil does indeed have him beat. The whole package is a whole other story, but that isn't what i was saying.

Harmonica - Dylan gets the job done, and often pulled out a gem but more often than not just seemed like he was blowing. Too often he physically hurts the ears. Neil plays precise and beautiful melody. I'll give Dylan a nod in the last decade or so where Dylan can finally play the damn thing like the seasoned pro he is and Neil is treading water (beautiful treading, but not breaking any new ground for himself.)

Piano - i won't argue this one too much because i don't really know the piano, and when i saw Bob play piano i couldn't really hear the thing. It was as if it was there as a prop. Most of the great Dylan piano parts are played by someone else, but i don't know that he couldn't play them himself.

Guitar -Bob can obviously play, but Neil might be my favorite guitar player. I don't have much more of an argument than that.


Wasn't trying to "endear" myself to you jewelsy, just trying to coax something out of you other than "i like him better" or "neil is better at instruments".

I'd actually say that neither are necessarily virtuoso's at the piano or harmonica. I'd say they're both solid players that play what is right for the song. I understand the argument against Dylan's harmonica playing but I'd argue that's a personal preference with the actual recording. A lot of times on those 60's records the harmonica is very loud, especially on Blonde on Blonde. But, Dylan also plays great parts on songs like "She Belongs to Me" and "Love Minus Zero/No Limit" that suit the song every bit as good as say Neil does on "Heart of Gold".

As for piano, I don't really have a major argument other than I'll take "Ballad of a Thin Man" over "A Man Needs A Maid". I know Dylan wrote a lot of songs on the piano that never made it to record on the piano. I know "Like A Rolling Stone" and "Forever Young" were written on piano but recorded with the guitar as the main instrument.

Not sure that really bolsters any argument for Dylan. Really just comes down to preference. For the record, I've seen Dylan a few times and I'd rather go to a Neil show but I'll still argue for Dylan overall.


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Why choose?


Yes Todd, but that doesn't really make for a good discussion does it.


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Why choose?


Yes Todd, but that doesn't really make for a good discussion does it.


No.

But I am genuinely torn.

If you asked me a year ago, it would have been Neil, no question. I always respected Dylan more than I actually enjoyed him. But a few months ago, something clicked with Dylan for me. I was listening to Blood On the Tracks and it completely resonated. Emotionally.

So now I cannot pick one over the other.

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NEIL

I'm on the Dump Jack, jsh, Drinky, FT and harry side of the coin, but really agreeing most with jsh (minus the Springsteen love). I've just never cared about pursuing Dylan. If I'm looking for non-sensical lyrical jems, I'll turn to my cLOUDDEAD, Why? and Silver Jews records. Although Dylan does have the "nack" for a good story/narrative song, but then again, so did Charlie Daniels.

Neil pulls on the heart strings, which I've found typically makes a lasting impression on me. When I'm looking for cerebral stimulation, that's when I reach for the "PPDD".


Also, I think it's pitiful that Bloor doesn't find emotional connections with music. I'm basing this on two times he's shunned posts about having an emotional response to music. What's the point then?


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Seriously? Four pages?

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Yeah, really. I mean, I've never even heard of either of these guys. Do that many people really listen to them, much less have strong opinions that merit discussion?


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It's a ridiculous question in the first place, and i'm not about to wade through pages of inane comments.

This is lamer than an elementary school styled "my dad can beat up your dad" argument.

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It's a ridiculous question in the first place, and i'm not about to wade through pages of inane comments.

This is lamer than an elementary school styled "my dad can beat up your dad" argument.


I got $500 on Big Jim. 8-)

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It's a ridiculous question in the first place, and i'm not about to wade through pages of inane comments.

This is lamer than an elementary school styled "my dad can beat up your dad" argument.


It's a silly idea for a thread, but there are actually a handful of decent posts in it. That's about the best you can hope for on this board these days, aside from a few entertaining displays of wanton stupidity and some vicious insults here and there.


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Yeah, really. I mean, I've never even heard of either of these guys. Do that many people really listen to them, much less have strong opinions that merit discussion?


Yeah, seriously let's start debating amps or guitar strings.

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Drinky Wrote:
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It's a ridiculous question in the first place, and i'm not about to wade through pages of inane comments.

This is lamer than an elementary school styled "my dad can beat up your dad" argument.


It's a silly idea for a thread, but there are actually a handful of decent posts in it. That's about the best you can hope for on this board these days, aside from a few entertaining displays of wanton stupidity and some vicious insults here and there.


O.k., i'll take a read. I like both alot, and I'm guessing that alot of folks who like one like the other. I used to reach for dylan more, now it's pretty even.

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DumpJack Wrote:
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Yeah, really. I mean, I've never even heard of either of these guys. Do that many people really listen to them, much less have strong opinions that merit discussion?


Yeah, seriously let's start debating amps or guitar strings.


SWEET. So i'm thinking about putting flatwounds on my Joe Osborn, and I know I already like Pyramids because I've got them on my 66 Hofner, but they're crazy pricey... like $90. Now i've had the same flats on it for over two years and they still sound live. Anyone out there have opinions on the LaBella flats, or should i just order the Joe Osborn flats from Lakland ($40, and $30 respectively).

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Not to shit on Neil Young, but damn, Dylan wins. He's just better.


Yeah, no shit. Neil is great and all but, fuck people, he only begins to approach Dylan.


See, i'm inclined towards their opinions, and that's right on the first page, but I'm betting this just leads to circular arguments. I will soldier on through the thread.

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What the fuck else is there to do on a message board that suppose to focus on quality music other than make arguments about a subjective subject.

If this thread is lame or inane so is Obner.

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I tried to find somebody of that sort that I could like that nobody else did - because everybody would adopt his group, and his group would be _it_; someone weird like Captain Beefheart. It's no different now - people trying to outdo ! each other in extremes. There are people who like X, and there are people who say X are wimps; they like Black Flag.


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Of course there is no answer but this is still one of the better threads in a while.

You'd rather hear my random thought of the day? Ok, I'm not feeling avocados lately and I'm not sure why.

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Thread was worth it for Harry and Derris. Derris's post right before Harry nailed it too.

As far as avocados, maybe you've had bad avocados. Maybe your taste's are changing. Maybe you should put some hot sauce on everything.

And as far as Dylan not approaching Young in terms of rocking out... here's a wierd clip of slow train.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgSnczPPfaQ

The sound quality changes at about 2:55 in, and it's still synced perfectly (so both sides of the audio are almost certainly from the same performance in my opinion), but once it gets lo-fi it starts to sound really fucking mean as hell.

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Radcliffe Wrote:
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Not to shit on Neil Young, but damn, Dylan wins. He's just better.


Yeah, no shit. Neil is great and all but, fuck people, he only begins to approach Dylan.


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Wasn't trying to "endear" myself to you jewelsy, just trying to coax something out of you other than "i like him better" or "neil is better at instruments".


For the record, i only said neil was better at instruments.
I refuse to pick which one I like more.

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jewels santana Wrote:
Rick Derris Wrote:
Wasn't trying to "endear" myself to you jewelsy, just trying to coax something out of you other than "i like him better" or "neil is better at instruments".


For the record, i only said neil was better at instruments.
I refuse to pick which one I like more.


Neil is better technically, Dylan is harder to replicate I would say.

Dylan had a way of doing the most simplest thing in an inimitable way. His strum patterns on the most basic sounding of songs are pretty damn hard to play, especially while singing. Also, Dylan had an obsession with economy and simplicity, he intentionally toned it down. Neil's possibly my favorite guitar player ever, but I still prefer Dylan on the acoustic.

This solo, though, damn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6v5E27Fp59c

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Neil also does a lot with a little, some of his finest solo moments are one note for 16 bars.

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This is one of my favourite clips of Neil, him alone with his guitar onstage at the Ryman singing 'The Old Laughing Lady'. I loved that film, but this was my favourite moment.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xdhou_ ... lady_music

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If I'm looking for non-sensical lyrical jems, I'll turn to my cLOUDDEAD, Why? and Silver Jews records. Although Dylan does have the "nack" for a good story/narrative song, but then again, so did Charlie Daniels.


Stop listening to music right now. Seriously, you are fucking hopeless both as a music lover and as a human. Do you fail this gracefully at everything you do? Kill yourself.

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Also, I think it's pitiful that Bloor doesn't find emotional connections with music. I'm basing this on two times he's shunned posts about having an emotional response to music. What's the point then?


Where did I say that? Bob Dylan has written more songs that can bring tears to my eyes than any artist in history; on the contrary sir I have a profound emotional response both to his music and to music in general.

What I was questioning was Dump Jack's lack of emotion for Dylan's music which seemed surprising to me.

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