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I know they have some connection to the Dead, maybe even sharing some auxiliary members.

Some of you Americana bohos like tentoze, mcap, or THE MACHINE need to expound on this for me.

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I got nothing here- beyond the one or two radio hits, never heard anything from them. I vaguely recall hearing references to some ties to the Dead, but didn't care much for them either, so the specifics escape me.


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...Essentially, the New Riders of the Purple Sage (their name derives from an old country outfit, Foy Willing and the Riders of the Purple Sage, who in turn took the name from an old Western novel) were initially formed as a vehicle for Garcia, Lesh, and Hart to indulge their tastes for country music beyond the albums Workingman's Dead and American Beauty. Their original lineup at early performances consisted of Garcia on pedal steel, Lesh on bass, John Dawson (born 1945) on rhythm guitars and vocals, sometime Dead contributor-member David Nelson on lead guitars, mandolin, and vocals, and Mickey Hart on drums. The New Riders quickly evolved into more of a free-standing unit, with Dave Torbert succeeding Lesh, and ex-Jefferson Airplane member Spencer Dryden on the drums, succeeding Hart. They also developed an identity of their own through Dawson's songwriting, which had an appealing command of melody and beat.

The group was a little shaky as a country-rock outfit, without the strengths of soulfulness or strong in-house songwriting of, say, Poco or the Burrito Brothers, but their association with Garcia and the Dead (Lesh co-produced one album) gave them a significant leg up in terms of publicity and finding an audience. High school and college kids who'd scarcely heard of Gram Parsons or Jim Messina but owned more than one Dead album, were likely in those days to own, or have a friend who owned, at least one New Riders album. That translated into many thousands of sales of the self-titled first album, which proved an apt and pleasing companion to Workingman's Dead and American Beauty with its mix of country and psychedelic sounds. By the second album, Buddy Cage had come in on pedal steel, replacing Garcia, and their sound had firmed up, helped by the fact that Dawson and Torbert were good songwriters.

Powerglide, their second album, proved that they had what it took to stand separate from the Dead, even though Garcia and Bill Kreutzmann played on a handful of cuts. The group continued to attract a following through the early and mid-'70s, mixing country-rock and folk sounds (Buffy St. Marie was a guest vocalist on the 1974 hit album The Adventures of Panama Red) and attracting the mellower component of recreational drug users. By the end of the decade, following a label change from Columbia to MCA, it seemed as though they were running out of steam and originality, however, and the growth in popularity of punk, disco, and power pop made them seem like an anachronism, along with most other country-rock outfits of the era. Ex-Byrd Skip Battin joined in 1975, replacing Torbert; Dryden gave up playing in 1978 to assume management of the band, and by 1981, Nelson was gone.

The New Riders essentially disbanded in 1982, although the name was later picked up by a new lineup built around Gary Vogenson (guitar) and Rusty Gautier (bass)...


i'm not a dead fan by a long stretch, but these guys have less jamming and better vocals. So even though i'm not a fan of NRPS, i'll take them over the dead.

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I can hook you up, mang.

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I knew THE MACHINE had my back here. Thanks, boss.

Whaddaya think of the alb? worth the effort or semi interesting side project?

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I always confused them with Pure Prairie League.


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Whaddaya think of the alb? worth the effort or semi interesting side project?


Both I'd say. It's pretty decent early 70s country-rock in the same vein as the Burritos and the Dead circa Beauty. You'll definitely like it, but it's a supplement. When you want to hear something that sounds like the Dead (or the Stones or Beatles etc.), one typically just grabs for the real thing. You can check them out here.

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I've only got 2 albums, but they're a nice alternative to the countrier side of the Dead sound or on the contrary, a complement to a random combo rotation of Dead, Burritos, Byrds, fill-n-blank etc.


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i'm not a dead fan at all (only like american beauty), but i do listen to the first new riders album regularly. funny, since it's essentially the dead and some dudes just with a different name.


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Jerry Garcia was present, but they remind me more or Parsons-era Byrds or Flying Burrito Bros than the Dead. If you are on emusic, there are some nice remastered live recordings available there.

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often wondered about these guys and never really investigated. listening now on amazon and it's some good stuff.

thanks for the links too DJ.

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DumpJack Wrote:
Senator G. Gordon LooGAR Wrote:
Whaddaya think of the alb? worth the effort or semi interesting side project?


Both I'd say. It's pretty decent early 70s country-rock in the same vein as the Burritos and the Dead circa Beauty. You'll definitely like it, but it's a supplement. When you want to hear something that sounds like the Dead (or the Stones or Beatles etc.), one typically just grabs for the real thing. You can check them out here.


"Error: Your IP address is already downloading a file." No it isn't rapidshare you fucks. Stop trying to sell me a premium account I just wanna hear panama red goddammit.

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