Cool. I have a hard time as well.

Just sayin'. Besides, what's the use in responding to a strong accusation of "you just don't like them because you're jealous"? "No, you're wrong"? There's just no intelligent response to that.

Simmons was a dude with a website who parlayed that into ESPN2 and that into Kimmel.

I thought there was some kind of uproar over how much Ryan was making...

Maybe not...but he could parlay this type of pub into something.

Parlay parlay parlay.

Well, that's kind of the vibe I got. Not necessarily that you hated the site. You gotta figure when you jump on an article, it smacks of haterade. if that ain't so, my bad, dawg...you know what happens when you assume.

you can take those ad rates and do what you want with them: dude also has the advantage of the benefits that owning a business befits him, and lets face it---his ad rates have gone up considering the recent pub (NY Times, this article, etc.);

dude is building a business and has been since '95. Who cares? Ryan Schreiber is the kind of guy who Scotty D would have thrown in a trash can (Bobby Knight style) or knocked his books and indie 45's out his hands in high school but dude has parlayed it into a fine industry. Why hate?

Actually the Truckers say it best:

"Tell me why the ones who have so much make the ones who don't go mad"

Parlay.

Why do board discussions inevitably crash into this concept? It seems if someone dares to criticize something their opinion is branded as meaningless because they're a "hater." It's a childish reaction.

And the Truckers quote, in the context of this thread, is the most misguided thing I've read today.

There are plenty of other music critics and music websites out there that I really like, such as fast n bulbous, amg, tiny mix tapes, and music for robots. I often disagree with their take on an artist or album, sometimes, positive, sometimes negative, but I feel like I get something out of their reviews regardless. It's not so with pitchfork. I get the feeling from reading pitchfork that their reviews depend more on what kind of day they're having than anything else.

I don't dislike them because I'm jealous. I really, honestly just think their reviews leave a lot to be desired. I still read the news section of pitchfork periodically.

some people harp on them over and over again, (more so on hipinion than here) and if you hate it so much, why do you read it EVERY DAY?

that's being a hater.

I just like the SG ads.

Sorry, used this opportunity to make another step toward success for the smart guys around here.

And I think Jewelz is getting at the right thing. I got the feeling that you read it and still hate it, Haq and I thought I'd bring it up. I think it's legit criticism.

Sometimes I read shit or listen to shit BECAUSE I hate it, but that is different. I think Rush Limbaugh is the stupidest most hypocritcal fat piece of shit on the planet, but homeboy basically invented talk radio, and I gotta give him props for that. If you can't see that what he (or Ryan or Bill Simmons or YO DADDY) has been able to do, then that's hatin.

Dude's the Matt Pinfield of the '00's.

WTF? Your MO in most "board discussions" is hating on shit just because: "Because I'm older and have been around longer. Because I'm smarter than all of you guys because I'm a published writer. Because I've heard a bunch of bands that you guys havent. Because I'm Radcliffe--don't question me"


honestly Rads, I actually agree with you a ton and defer to you all the damn time because I respect the fuck out of your taste and intelligence but to call me childish for calling you a hater is stupid.

i.e. read that Truckers quote again; maybe I am hypersensitive but I fucking hate it when people hate on other folks just b/c they are more successful than them....it reeks of lottery ticket watchers and people who sit on a stump with all the talent and intell. in the world but don't do shit with it.

Expansion? This world is about gettin paid, made and laid. Sorry, I know that that isn't everybody's philosophy here, but I'm just a dude tryin to pay his damn mortgage.....

Fair enough Gar, but looking deep within my heart, my irritation with Pitchfork lies in their content (which I honestly do not read) and also with the thousands of salivating fans who read it for the "attitude," and half of whom probably subscribe to FHM for the same reason. But I don't mind throwing in some hatred for them based on the fact that they make money off of their crappy zine. And if that makes me a hater, I don't want to be... a not-hater. And if Radcliffe is right about the figures and they're making that little, they're retarded.

guys, this is what pitchfork WANTS you to think. they're trying to destroy us.

Assuming that we all like the concept of pitchfork- a daily FREE music resource on the web, but we have a beef with the content (rating #'s, obtuse reviews etc)- how would those who don't like the content improve it?

also with the thousands of salivating fans who read it for the "attitude"

This is kind of what I was getting at with my first post. It seems like this, plus the fawning articles (written from press releases by lazy ass stupid ass writers) plus the fact that you think it sucks that they make money off of it = some twisted logic for not liking stuff.

I do get that it is annoying when you know something ain't htat great, and everyone loves it, but I think that's whay we congregate here?

Why not start putting up real reviews on the obner.org page, make this it's bulletin board/farm team for writers, and run the fucker outta business?

Jimmy - I would fire the reviewers or, failing that, automatically remove the first 500 words of every review. I would stop fakin' the flava' and reviewing mainstream hiphop highly just because it is now indie^2 to "appreciate" Fitty Cent.

Senator - I don't think having to hear about the sophisticated tastemaking of the hot zine all the kids are reading is a poor reason to hate when I think that zine is shit. It only serves to validate my assumption that no one has any damned sense, and I god knows I don't need any more of that.

OK, but some of us truly enjoy mainstream hip hop (I thinnk my bonafides on this are well established) if you are saying you don't want to change things, don't think we could do a better job and don't want to make some ad money off some easy shit, well, that's on you dog. I was trying to help.

I've thought about that, GAR... I don't know how easy it would be (one reason at least to be impressed with the empire PF has built), which is why I've hesitated.

this was my (and i'm thinking Gar's) point: I mean I aint buying Ryan S. a beer for his content---I'm buying him one for the HUSTLE.

i respect that he built a business writing about or even doing something that he felt passionate about, i just think that the magazine sucks. this applies to Martha Stewart Living as well.

[quote=I think Rush Limbaugh is the stupidest most hypocritcal fat piece of shit on the planet, but homeboy basically invented talk radio, and I gotta give him props for that. [/quote]

There have been others long before and currently that are much better than he is, but are either a)not syndicated or b) don't have a cult following of a politically one-sided position. Rush screens all his calls and never allows for opposition, let alone discussion. He is a panderer, a cattle feeder. Larry King and Alan Burke were doing talk radio long ago and quite succesfully. However, their's was more of a forum and less of a "woohoo!" rally.

i think mainstream hip hop "became indie" when main stream hiphop became more interesting than underground hip hop.