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guess stevo got caught up in all the us election talk and thought hed get in on the act too. id kind of like to see him kicked out, but that seems unlikely at this point.


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What a goddamn waste of money. Man I hate Harper.

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Not really. Just thought I'd be ironic for a second there.


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I like Layton because he reminds me of Pete from Twin Peaks.


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It just doesn't matter.


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yeah cause we all know the vote for the big boys happens in november. :roll:


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It really doesn't matter, because it's a no-contest election. The liberals lost when they went with Dion. Layton may as well get "honourable opposition" tattooed on his scalp. And the Greens will be lucky to get a single seat.

The conservatives win by default. And we'll still have healthcare. And abortions. And creationism won't be taught in schools.


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The conservatives win by default. And we'll still have healthcare. And abortions. And creationism won't be taught in schools.


After all is said and done, this is true. I would vote Liberal, but I question the judgment of this particular group who thought it would be a good idea to put an owlish intellectual who mangles the English language with every utterance.

C-60 will probably die now that parliament is finished, but I hope that it doesn't get resurrected if the Conservatives get a majority.

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C-60 will probably die now that parliament is finished, but I hope that it doesn't get resurrected if the Conservatives get a majority.


Are you talking about the copyright bill? That's actually C-61, and as much as I hope it's dead for good, it'll likely be reintroduced in the new parliament. And if the Conservative get a majority it'll be passed. Bye bye fair use.


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C-60 will probably die now that parliament is finished, but I hope that it doesn't get resurrected if the Conservatives get a majority.


Are you talking about the copyright bill? That's actually C-61, and as much as I hope it's dead for good, it'll likely be reintroduced in the new parliament. And if the Conservative get a majority it'll be passed. Bye bye fair use.


Wikipedia says it is C-60, I had to look it up to see what you Canucks were discussing, since I am currently out of the loop.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_C-60

It is supposedly somewhat similar to DMCA here in the states.

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C-60 will probably die now that parliament is finished, but I hope that it doesn't get resurrected if the Conservatives get a majority.


Are you talking about the copyright bill? That's actually C-61, and as much as I hope it's dead for good, it'll likely be reintroduced in the new parliament. And if the Conservative get a majority it'll be passed. Bye bye fair use.


Yeah, I meant C-61, my mistake. It's a scary bill.

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C-60 and C-61, were/are those hot button issues in the Great White North?
Those sort of laws don't seem to get as much attention down here. There is usually some outcry from people like us and liberal media groups, but they don't seem to play a big role in elections.

This quote made me laugh when reading up on C-61.

Liberal MP Scott Brison, who has called the bill a "US made law" that would establish a "police state." [1] A substantial majority (76%) of the population agrees the bill was drafted in the US, despite claims it was "born in Canada." [11]

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C-60 and C-61, were/are those hot button issues in the Great White North?
Those sort of laws don't seem to get as much attention down here. There is usually some outcry from people like us and liberal media groups, but they don't seem to play a big role in elections.


It's not really hot button issue, but The Toronto Star has been highlighting it quite often, most recently in today's issue.

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Digital issues deserve spot in election campaign
Sep 08, 2008 04:30 AM

Michael Geist

With a federal election now set for Oct. 14, the coming weeks will be dominated by political debate as each party seeks to make their case to voters across the country.

The election mode marks an important role reversal – after months of Canadians working to gain the attention of their elected officials, those same politicians will be knocking on doors, making phone calls, and participating in all-candidates meetings in an effort to seek them out.

The 2008 election therefore presents an exceptional opportunity to raise the profile of digital issues. Not only do these policies touch on so-called core concerns such as the economy, the environment, education, and health care, but they also resonate with younger Canadians, who could help swing the balance of power in many ridings.

In the United States election, both Barack Obama and John McCain have unveiled detailed digital policy positions. Canadian leaders have yet to promote their policies, but there are at least five worth watching and asking about.

1- Spectrum surplus: The recent wireless spectrum auction generated over $4 billion for the federal government, nearly triple initial estimates. The Conservatives committed in the 2008 budget to allocate the funds to debt reduction.

The Liberals, meanwhile, focused on the opportunity to use the surplus revenues to kick-start long delayed plans to provide high-speed Internet access to all Canadians.

Where do the parties stand on the use of the spectrum proceeds and on universal broadband access from coast to coast to coast?

2- Wireless competition: The sorry state of the Canadian wireless marketplace has been well documented in recent months with high profile incidents involving text message charges and high data pricing.

New competitors are slated to debut in late 2009, yet Canadians continue to face high prices and limited choice. Are the political parties content with the status quo?

If not, would they consider additional measures such as the removal of foreign ownership restrictions or new openness requirements in the next spectrum auction?

3- Net neutrality: Network neutrality emerged as a major issue this year with a political rally on Parliament Hill, the introduction of a Private Member's bill, and a heated regulatory battle between Bell and independent Internet service providers at the CRTC.

The same is true in the U.S., where the Federal Communications Commission (the CRTC's counterpart) ordered cable giant Comcast to abide by net neutrality principles. Where do Canada's political parties stand on net neutrality? If the CRTC concludes that it does not possess the regulatory power to address the issue, would they be prepared to introduce legislative reforms?

4- Copyright: Few issues generated as much attention this summer as copyright with some Members of Parliament acknowledging that the controversial Bill C-61 was one of the most discussed constituent concerns.

With the bill now dead, each party should be asked to articulate its plan for the future. Would the Conservatives reintroduce the bill unchanged? Would the Liberals scrap the bill and hold public consultations as several of their MPs have suggested? Would the NDP continue its strong opposition to the C-61 approach?

5- Privacy reform: Over the past year, the Standing Committee on Access to Information, Privacy, and Ethics held hearings on potential reforms to both PIPEDA (the private sector privacy law) and the Privacy Act (the public sector privacy law). These reform initiatives – including a recommendation to implement long-awaited mandatory security breach disclosure legislation – have now stalled with the election call. None of the political parties have staked out a clear position on privacy legislation. This election campaign provides an opportunity to put the issue, along with other digital concerns, squarely on the policy agenda.

Michael Geist holds the Canada Research Chair in Internet and E-commerce Law at the University of Ottawa, Faculty of Law. He can reached at mgeist@uottawa.ca or online at www.michaelgeist.ca.


More here at the other, more right leaning national newspaper.

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guess stevo got caught up in all the us election talk and thought hed get in on the act too. id kind of like to see him kicked out, but that seems unlikely at this point.


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Voted.

I know very little about politics but it seems like this is going to be the most split election yet. One of the big two will still win, but I expect it to be pretty spread out amongst the top four.


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I haven't yet and frankly have zero enthusiasm to do so in this province.

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I voted so I wouldn't feel like a knob going to see a beautiful girl at an "election party". I am nearly regretting my vote for the orange team, though. I'll just say green.


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I voted so I wouldn't feel like a knob going to see a beautiful girl at an "election party". I am nearly regretting my vote for the orange team, though. I'll just say green.


I went socialist this year, just for fun.

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I voted green.

What a waste of energy. The results are exactly the same as last time. All this fuss and protesting and celebrity Band-Aid songs and it's still just fucking Harper with Dion in second and everyone else meaningless.


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i also voted green, but am disappointed they havent won any seats again, i really thought they would this time - maybe its all the green party propaganda of been getting from them in my email


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I was expecting much more diverse results with all the anti-Harper stuff I'd been hearing everywhere.

I'm pretty sure they just said that he actually gained seats.


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