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For clarity's sake: I'm still getting my meds through medicaid, the doctor just had to okay the change.


I gotta say, I don't really see the problem here. Your doctor just had to approve exactly what meds you were given, and I see that as a pretty good part of the system. You would prefer to let some bureaucrat decide which meds will be substituted based on cost savings and take that decision away from your doctor?


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By the way...

If you're struggling with co-pays and such for meds. Look for a Federally Qualified Health Center in your area. They can hook you up with a pharmacy participating in the 340B federal drug program which prices most medication lower than what a typical insurance program charges for co-pays.

And, like previously mentioned. For a decent selection of the most popular generics, check out places like Wal Mart with the $4 prescription programs they run nowadays. Only problem with those programs would be that they don't generally include newer drugs. Most drugs with high costs aren't included anyway.

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generic medicines are THE SAME in 99% of the cases


not true actually. us law only mandates that the drug be 80% to 120% as potent as the original, even though it has to have the same exact drug. sometimes the delivery system is changed a little


for most drugs that is sufficiently accurate and there will be no difference in effect..so for these purposes they are the same

drugs with narrow a narrow therapeutic index are a different story sure


That's what it was: a 40% variance in dosage ±20% from the stated dosage. (Versus, what I believe is a 10% - ±5% — variance for brand-name.) Thanks for clarifying, Prowess. And for my antiseizure meds, my doc is not comfortable with me getting the lower dosage on any given day. So I'm on the brand-name. (Thankfully, I've reached my max out-of pocket for the year, and have no copay for my meds for the rest of the year now.)

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Most research suggests that there is no substantial difference between the effectiveness of the two. It is not 'better for me'--seems like its better for the drug companies.


My neuro (whom I've been with for 13 years and trust implicitly), tells me that the variance in actual medicine dosage is significantly higher for generics than it is for brand-name. (FDA allows name brands a ±5% variance in dosage; generics: ±40%).

For seizure meds, that kind of variance is not acceptable and could have serious repercussions. So he keeps me on the name-brand.


I don't know your doctor, but I think a variance of 40% is put way to high. generics are actually nothing more than the same med as the brand name but the patent run out so others can produce and sell it.


Yeah, writing that out, it don't look so right to me.
Again... 13 years and he is the only guy that has been able to get a handle on my MS and also caught my cavernous angioma before I started having either seizures or an aneurysm. I trust the guy. Period.
But I do have to look into that because, out-of-pocket it's
$350/month vs. $5/month... and he knows it.


To save $345 a month, I'm dumb enough to risk it.


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To save $345 a month, I'm dumb enough to risk it.


Says the guy who does not live with a chronic, debilitating health condition.


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To save $345 a month, I'm dumb enough to risk it.


Says the guy who does not live with a chronic, debilitating health condition.


Also, from a purely financial standpoint, a hospitalization would cost a helluva lot more.

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For clarity's sake: I'm still getting my meds through medicaid, the doctor just had to okay the change.


I gotta say, I don't really see the problem here. Your doctor just had to approve exactly what meds you were given, and I see that as a pretty good part of the system. You would prefer to let some bureaucrat decide which meds will be substituted based on cost savings and take that decision away from your doctor?

And I gotta say again, I don't understand why there isn't a problem here.

Yes, I'm fine. I'm getting my meds. But Medicaid is paying THREE TIMES what they need to for my treatment--and Medicaid is going broke.

Most HMO's/PPO's require you to accept generics if they are available. If you are sensitive to generics, the plans provide the prior-auth mechanism to allow the doctor to override this standard. Thats the free-market solution and it seems to work for the vast majority of americans.

I'm kinda unusual. I don't want the patient making their own health care decisions. I don't think its a good idea for patients to walk into their doctor's office and demand a medication that they just saw on tv. If its not an emergency, and a patient develops concerns about a symptom, their first visit should be to their family doctor/GP for guidance--not to the Mayo clinic for an MRI and a specialist.

I think every american has a right to good, practical and reasonable health care. I do not think that every american has the right to brand-name health care. I don't think a health care system that allows consumers to choose a med because they think one pill looks cooler than another is sustainable.

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Well, are you on generics now or not? One time you say you switched and just needed doc approval...but now you're talking as if you are still using non-generics. Kinda makes a big difference in your whole point.


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I thought I was clear...but after reviewing, it appears that I used 'switch' in two different contexts without enough specificity.

I was on generics for 5 out of my 6 meds until this the beginning of this month. At the beginning of this month I was moved from from a trial ABD medicaid program to general medicaid, and I am now on 1 generic script and 5 brand name scripts.

The generic scripts were rejected after the program change. The doctor had to change those scripts from generic to brand name in order for medicaid to cover them. The scripts were changed, I got my meds, and medicaid paid over $600 more than they needed to.

And I conclude that, this amounts to a waste of over $7200 per year, just for my case. This waste goes straight to the drug companies. Meanwhile, 1 out of 7 of the people around me have no insurance coverage. The average US Health care cost per capita was $7439 last year.

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after reading this i think we should just people die as nature wills

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Yeah, that is fucked. I smell drug companies getting sweet deals from the government.

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after reading this i think we should just people die as nature wills

I think I pissed my doctor off when I told him that I didn't want things like open-heart surgery for myself. Way I see it today, I'm 40, single, have no kids, and I'm going to die someday. I have no real interest in living till I'm 80. If I get cancer, fuck chemo, just give me enough morphine that I don't shit myself from pain every hour and let me go--give the chemo to someone with kids.

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mugwump67 Wrote:
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after reading this i think we should just people die as nature wills

I think I pissed my doctor off when I told him that I didn't want things like open-heart surgery for myself. Way I see it today, I'm 40, single, have no kids, and I'm going to die someday. I have no real interest in living till I'm 80. If I get cancer, fuck chemo, just give me enough morphine that I don't shit myself from pain every hour and let me go--give the chemo to someone with kids.


haha pretty much

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Fuck that. I ain't giving up quality medical care just because some other guy decided he just had to recreate a little version of himself to run after.

Just stop reproducing. It's the responsible thing:
Voluntary Human Extinction Movement

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Pretty macho now. Let's see what happens when you actually get cancer.


Just like I fully expect Rads to find God on his death bed and start praying. EDIT: On second thought, I expect Rads to find aliens or Tom Cruise on his death bed and start telekinesing or whatever it is that scientologist do.

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whatever it is that scientologist do.


get a good job in hollywood?

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Pretty macho now. Let's see what happens when you actually get cancer.

Not really macho. What actually scares the hell out of me is the prospect of pain. I've been through enough major depressions now that I've basically lost my fear of actually dying.

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Maybe you should write a letter to that government waste crusader John McCain.


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Cranked one out to Kaptur. I doubt she'll do anything about it, but it makes me feel better.

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