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Other than that, I kept waiting for someone to get decked by the pendulum and was disappointed it didn't happen


i just kept thinking "man that pendulum must've made editing the scene a bitch"


haha. same thought I had. Hopefully there were just a lot of takes to solve the continuity problems. I bet if rewatched they either cut around a lot of it or there are some noticeable issues when you pay attention.

I would have thought they could have blocked that scene so that Desmond didn't have to like walk all the way across their map/pendulum swing range. haha. The whole scene in that room was awkward.


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i thought it was a tremendous episode...this year is turning out fucking great so far. hocus pocus or not.

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i thought it was a tremendous episode...this year is turning out fucking great so far. hocus pocus or not.


Yeah, I enjoyed it quite a lot. As soon as Broom Hilda mentioned the island's special EMF characteristics, I was in geek heaven.

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I would have thought they could have blocked that scene so that Desmond didn't have to like walk all the way across their map/pendulum swing range. haha.


heh, i thought exactly the opposite. . . seemed like he walked across the map to an excessive amount--like the director was showing off or something. either way, it detracted from what was actually going on.

as with last week, though, i really like that they're moving away from juggling a half dozen stories & locations like they did at the end of last season and the beginning of this one

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Still, I couldn't bring myself to really dislike the episode. It did push things along and get us a lot further than I thought we'd be by now. Plus it set up a lot of new mysteries around just how everyone got convinced to get on that plane after all. I have a feeling that whatever motivated Kate (or whatever she had to do with Aaron) and whatever happened to Ben will have some big repercussions.


This is how I came out too. I was a little annoyed the first half and felt like it was shaping up to take the show in a bad direction but I didn't hate the second half as much and overall, it did get the story moving like you said.

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That Mrs. Hawking sure is a nice piece as far as 70-something British women go.

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That Mrs. Hawking sure is a nice piece as far as 70-something British women go.


ba ha ha ha ha

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Also, I think Ben tried to kill Penny (obviously) and Desmond whooped his ass and threw him overboard. That's my hope anyway.


Oh, you might be right! He was at a dock, after all.


my thought as well. ben did promise widmore retribution after he had alex killed.

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Here are my top 10 observations after watching the sixth episode of Lost Season Five:

1. I love how whenever she's under tremendous stress, Kate's reflex is to automatically switch into full-blown slut mode. Whether you lock her in a zoo cage or steal her ersatz son, her coping mechanism is always to immediately begin restaging Behind the Green Door. Too bad for Hurley that Kate always happens to be alone with either Jack or Sawyer whenever her survival libido kicks in.

2. Leave it to Locke to turn a suicide note into an "I told you so!!!" Of course, I'm assuming he's not REALLY dead, since most corpses don't grow fresh stubble.

3. One guy who has no stubble whatsoever is everybody's favorite pilot, Frank Lapidus, who's face is as smooth as a baby's bottom - even though he's still unwilling to part with his patented salt and pepper mullet. Maybe Sayid and Hurley could help him spruce up his look by giving him tips on how they are able to maintain such lush and lovely Jheri curls.

4. Speaking of Lapidus, is he the first person in history to ever express such disappointment at NOT going to Guam???

5. It's kind of touching that Hurley brought along CHAHHH-leez guitar, but so help me Jacob, if it means we have to hear Hugo's acoustic cover of "You All Everybody," I'll spontaneously combust like so much Arzt!

6. I'm not saying Jack's grandfather is too young to be his Dad's Dad, but he'd probably challenge the record held by Little Alfie, Britain's beloved baby bastardmaker.

7. Travelocity and Priceline ain't got nothin' on Mrs. Hawking's Big Book of Interdimensional Flight Schedules.

8. Jin proved Sayid isn't the only cast member handy with a soldering iron, as he somehow managed to re-wire the Dharma microbus Blaupunkt so it could play something other than "Shambala."

9. Jack: "What's going to happen to all of these other people on the plane?" Ben: "I don't care." Has any pathological liar ever been more brutally honest than Ben?

10. As much as I like ol' Desmond, I can't be the only one who was hoping to see him get hit in the crotch by the giant swinging pendulum, can I?!? Dharma's Funniest Home Videos would be a ratings smash! Surely ABC can afford to hire Tom Bergeron to host yet another show.

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I can't believe I just watched this now. What the fuck was that? I have about a zillion more questions coming out of that.

Who told Kate and Hurley how to get back? Why did they decide to?

Was Sayid arrested? Why? And why was he being taken to Guam?

What happened to Aaron?

Did Ben kill Penny?

Who is this Eloise person?

What's the story with the mustache guy who gave Jack his condolences?

Is Locke going to come back to life now? Ben's resurrection talk seemed to be foreshadowing that.

Is there any significance that Hurley was reading Y: The Last Man?

Is the island still jumping around in time? If so, did Jin just steal a Dharma jumpsuit and van or is he actually somehow working for them?

Is Locke dead? Did he hang himself?

Was it Jack and Hurley who drank all of Sawyer's beer? That explains the Ajira Airways water bottles at the beach but not the small boats or who was shooting at Sawyer and them.

Is Jack's grandfather in on all the mystique and intrigue? Maybe he was trying to run away from the nursing home to get on that plane.



I'm getting more and more of a Twin Peaks vibe as we go along. I get the feeling things are going to be blown open in this year's season finale and this is going to turn into a huge thing with demons or gods or aliens or something of that sort all connected to the island.


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Is there any significance that Hurley was reading Y: The Last Man?


ss there any significance that ben was reading ulysses?

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Is there any significance that Hurley was reading Y: The Last Man?


ss there any significance that ben was reading ulysses?


I don't know. I'm not familiar with Ulysses.


Oh, but the church station being called The Lamppost? That's got to be a total Narnia nod.


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read the Lost recap on the EW website for some info on Ulysses

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A friend of mine once said that if a person professes to be able to make sense out of Joyce's Ulysses, then they're lying.


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I like the idea that each person on Ajira Airways flight 316 represents a couple of people from Oceanic flight 815.

Hurley - himself, Walt (with the comic), Charlie (with the guitar case)

Sayid - Kate (being a prisoner), Sawyer? (surly disposition)

Kate - Claire (with parenting issues), Shannon (sexual tension with...)

Jack - Boone (sexual tension / slowly becoming Locke's protege), himself, Michael? (protective father figure to Hurley)

Ben - Locke (injured friend of Richard Alpert)

new guy - Sayid (ethnic loner) (this would also "justify" why he (presumably) gets pulled down to the island with them)

Sun - herself, Rose (worried wife with absent husband), Jin?


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alongwaltz Wrote:
Is there any significance that Hurley was reading Y: The Last Man?

Y: The Last Man's author is Brian K. Vaughan, one of the principle writers of Lost. I think it was more a nod/inside joke to him than anything significant, plus it met one of the requirements that they replicate the original circumstances as closely as possible (I believe it was Hurley that had a Spanish comic book on the original flight, and we later saw Walt reading it - it was the one with the polar bears in it, I think.)

On another note, I've seen several mentions across the inerwebs of "Jack's grandpa" actually being a very old Jack (as in, he got stuck back in time, escaped the island, and grew old from that point on.) I'm not sure how I feel about that. Intriguing, in a way, but I don't understand how it would work out because then Jack would be his own relative, unless his dad is in on it, but then who is his dad?

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It's redundant to say but... good episode. They weren't trying to provide big surprises or plot twists and they didn't.

But we got good character definition, the twists with Abaddon and Ben, and more intrigue from Cesar and his girlfriend.

I'm not thrilled about a whole new group of plane survivors, though, considering Rose, Bernard, and their friends are already mostly ignored.


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Despite all his lies and actions, I held on the the belief that Ben wasn't exactly evil. After this episode, though, it seems as though he's clearly a bad guy. Widmore can still go either way.

Is Christian Shepard as alive as Locke is alive? I thought he was some sort of ghost originally, because nobody but Jack saw him way back in season 1, but everyone can see zombie Locke.


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I think Ben and Widmore are both total villains who only care about themselves and are willing to kill whoever they need to. In Ben's case, Matthew Abaddon. In Widmore's case, Helen Norwood.

And we've definitely been given the impression Christian's a ghost. I don't think a person could have suddenly appeared down at the bottom of the pit like he did when Locke was there. The only explanation why he'd be brought back as a ghost and Locke would come back alive I guess would be the whole "the island needs Locke alive" thing.


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In Widmore's case, Helen Norwood.


Did this happen, or are you making an assumption? I can't remember whether or not we actually got to see what happened to her.

I really enjoyed last night's episode. Again, no real shocking revelations, just deepening of mysteries and of the characters.

I still think it might be a little simplistic to label Ben as "evil", given that it's hard to tell just exactly what he wants to accomplish out of all this. I thought for a minute that maybe he somehow knew the island would bring John back to life, but then when he said "I'll miss you", I thought, maybe not.


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It looks like the only reason Ben didn't let Locke hang himself is because he didn't know how to get back to the island. Once Locke let slip that Eloise knew, Ben decided he didn't need him anymore.


And nothing was said or shown about Helen other than what Matthew said. But it seems a little convenient. The one reason Locke might have had for not going back to the island and staying in the US instead just happens to die of a brain aneurysm?

And I'm just blaming Widmore for that one because Ben didn't seem to want Locke going back.


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It looks like the only reason Ben didn't let Locke hang himself is because he didn't know how to get back to the island. Once Locke let slip that Eloise knew, Ben decided he didn't need him anymore.


Yeah, I had a hard time with this. Ben didn't already know Eloise? If he didn't, he sure earned her trust pretty quickly. If he did, how he did he not already know that she would know how to get back to the island?


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It looks like the only reason Ben didn't let Locke hang himself is because he didn't know how to get back to the island. Once Locke let slip that Eloise knew, Ben decided he didn't need him anymore.


Yeah, I had a hard time with this. Ben didn't already know Eloise? If he didn't, he sure earned her trust pretty quickly. If he did, how he did he not already know that she would know how to get back to the island?


He seemed to know her. Locke even asked him if he did and Ben made a face like "oh yeah, I know her."

Remember, it was insinuated that young Widmore and young Eloise might have been an item back in the day. Also, Widmore claims that Ben took control of the Others away from him and kicked him off the island. So that would put things really sketchy between Ben and Eloise. But she did wind up deciding to help him get them back. So we really don't know what her motives are.


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I still think it might be a little simplistic to label Ben as "evil", given that it's hard to tell just exactly what he wants to accomplish out of all this. I thought for a minute that maybe he somehow knew the island would bring John back to life, but then when he said "I'll miss you", I thought, maybe not.


Ben doesn't seem to have any intention of bringing Locke back to the island when he leaves him hanging from the ceiling. I guess Eloise explains to Ben that everyone has to come back to the island, including Locke. But if Ben buys into this, that things have to happen a certain way in order for things to work out, why does he simultaneously fight it? We learn from Christian that Locke was supposed to move the island, not Ben. Did Ben intentionally screw things up?


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Here are my top 10 observations after watching the seventh episode of Lost Season 5:

1. When wrapped in an Ajira Airlines blanket, Locke bore more than a passing resemblance to a wizard.

2. That whole scene made for one of the most uncomfortable nighttime beach parties captured on film since Johnny and his Cobra Kai buddies rode in on their dirt bikes and destroyed Daniel’s jam box.

3. I’ve always thought Kate was way hotter than any of the other so-called babes on Lost (Shannon, Claire, Juliet, etc.), but this mysterious new character named Ilana not only gives Kate a run for her money, she just might knock her out of the top spot. I watched in hi-def and they were pretty much in extreme closeup mode during her chat with the mango-eating Locke, and she was about as perfect as you can get. Nothing humorous about this observation, I know, but it still had to be made.

4. Remind me to double-check my HMO to make sure “Dr. Bite On Thisâ€

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