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I think the director has said they aren't going to change the ending


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Saw the midnight show. Absolutely amazing. I think all the fans of the comic will be unduly impressed with how it was pulled off. Stunning is the word to be sure.

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Should I see this? I laughed when I first saw the preview because I thought it looked ridiculous but it's grown on me each time I've seen it played before a film.

Bear in mind I hate comic books, CGI, and despise the term "graphic novel".

But that costume looks downright rude. She is one high kick away from exposure.

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Also, Micky, Kramer's midget friend from Seinfeld is playing a bad guy. I'm not sure if this a good thing or a bad thing.

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My Chemical Romance (whose members, especially lead singer Gerard Way, are fans of the comic) covered Dylan's "Desolation Row" for the closing credits.


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Bear in mind I hate comic books, CGI, and despise the term "graphic novel".


mmmm....Watchmen wasn't yr typical comic fare. There was a certain depth to it, that was unheard of at the time. When I hear someone say they don't like comics I think 1 of 2 things--either a)they don't like costumed heroes and think all comics are heroes prancing around fighting crime, or b)they know what modern comics are, but don't like the serial nature of them. Broad I know, but it might be the case, and I've found a lot of times it is. Watchmen ushered in a new era. Hence why there was so much hemming and hawing about making the film. Its more literate. It has many more humanistic elements, and it was drawn cinematically, which leads itself to film well.

I guess what I'm getting at is--this isn't your typical "comic" movie. Sure there are costumed people, but its part of the story, not just something you're supposed to accept, like Superman.

CGI? There's tons. This film is built on CGI. Was 300 too much CGI for you?

Its an escapism film. Its intelligent at times. I'd say go for it. What else is playing that you'd go see?

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it has themes that echo 9/11 (i.e. an attack on nyc)


this has never been done before in the history of movies

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Bear in mind I hate comic books, CGI, and despise the term "graphic novel".


mmmm....Watchmen wasn't yr typical comic fare. There was a certain depth to it, that was unheard of at the time. When I hear someone say they don't like comics I think 1 of 2 things--either a)they don't like costumed heroes and think all comics are heroes prancing around fighting crime, or b)they know what modern comics are, but don't like the serial nature of them. Broad I know, but it might be the case, and I've found a lot of times it is. Watchmen ushered in a new era. Hence why there was so much hemming and hawing about making the film. Its more literate. It has many more humanistic elements, and it was drawn cinematically, which leads itself to film well.

I guess what I'm getting at is--this isn't your typical "comic" movie. Sure there are costumed people, but its part of the story, not just something you're supposed to accept, like Superman.

CGI? There's tons. This film is built on CGI. Was 300 too much CGI for you?

Its an escapism film. Its intelligent at times. I'd say go for it. What else is playing that you'd go see?


In all its stupid glory, I actually like 300.

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Going to a Sunday matinee, hopefully.

I don't really expect this to be great, but I suppose I'm not too worried about it. At this point, I don't think that The Watchmen is one of my favorite comics or that Alan Moore is even one of my favorite comic book writers. I loved the comic back when I read it, but it's been a long time since then. Still it'll be fun to see this come back to life again for me, much like with the LOTR movies even though I don't expect this to be nearly that good.


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watchmen as reimagined by other directors

http://www.slate.com/id/2212953/slideshow/2212955/

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watchmen as reimagined by other directors

http://www.slate.com/id/2212953/slideshow/2212955/


the Tyler Perry one is great.

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i saw it last night. it's ok. changing the ending angered me and i am really confused as to why it was changed. also, it managed to both be way too long and still feel really rushed. it's also a really a mess in terms of tone, alternating between camp and overwrought reverence. i wouldn't say i wasn't entertained, but i would not recommend it to anyone who is not a fan of the book.

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it managed to both be way too long and still feel really rushed.


i guess that's not totally surprising given the amount of material they are trying to cover. . . even a long film would feel like it's rushing through the story and cutting out parts.

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it managed to both be way too long and still feel really rushed.


i guess that's not totally surprising given the amount of material they are trying to cover. . . even a long film would feel like it's rushing through the story and cutting out parts.


yes. i think it suffers from a lack of focus though. it's almost trying too hard to include as much as possible. somehow that makes what's missing even more annoying.

i realized as i was standing in line that there is just no way it can't disappoint. either it's so faithful to something i already kind of saw more than read that it's not worth the time or it's too different and annoys for that reason. but the fact that it managed both speaks to what i see as a lack of direction and makes me think that it really could have been better in the hands of someone who would focus on character more than art direction and action. i mean, that's what makes it stand out from other comics in the first place.

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it managed to both be way too long and still feel really rushed.


i guess that's not totally surprising given the amount of material they are trying to cover. . . even a long film would feel like it's rushing through the story and cutting out parts.


yes. i think it suffers from a lack of focus though. it's almost trying too hard to include as much as possible. somehow that makes what's missing even more annoying.

i realized as i was standing in line that there is just no way it can't disappoint. either it's so faithful to something i already kind of saw more than read that it's not worth the time or it's too different and annoys for that reason. but the fact that it managed both speaks to what i see as a lack of direction and makes me think that it really could have been better in the hands of someone who would focus on character more than art direction and action. i mean, that's what makes it stand out from other comics in the first place.



...and that's why Terry Gilliam wanted to do it as like a 5-part miniseries. I think you'll see more when the DVD comes out. Its no secret that Zack Synder wanted to make this a lot longer and drawn out. I'm actually impressed so much WAS left in.

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I'm actually impressed so much WAS left in.


http://io9.com/5165227/the-version-of-w ... dio-wanted

2000's, war on terror, no back story--just rorschach looking for blake's murderer, kill veidt. . . etc.

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Scathing New Yorker review of basically the whole concept of the Watchmen (comic and movie): http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/c ... inema_lane

Admitting that I've never read any of the actual books, I'm sympathetic to the notion that Moore's perceived depth has more to do with the age and character of his audience than with the quality of writing. However changed V for Vendetta may have been from the comic, the depth of its political critique had all the intelligence of a high school debate.


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HaqDiesel Wrote:
Scathing New Yorker review of basically the whole concept of the Watchmen (comic and movie): http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/c ... inema_lane

Admitting that I've never read any of the actual books, I'm sympathetic to the notion that Moore's perceived depth has more to do with the age and character of his audience than with the quality of writing. However changed V for Vendetta may have been from the comic, the depth of its political critique had all the intelligence of a high school debate.


I've never read or watched the Watchmen, but that critic makes it clear early on in the piece that he does not like action comic books. Working from that premise, the movie could only fail for him. His criticism of action comic books are fair, but it seems to be unfair when you're looking for a movie to grind your ax.

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HaqDiesel Wrote:
Scathing New Yorker review of basically the whole concept of the Watchmen (comic and movie): http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/c ... inema_lane

Admitting that I've never read any of the actual books, I'm sympathetic to the notion that Moore's perceived depth has more to do with the age and character of his audience than with the quality of writing. However changed V for Vendetta may have been from the comic, the depth of its political critique had all the intelligence of a high school debate.



Alan Moore is definitely pretty overrated, and whenever I've heard or read interviews with him, he's always seemed like an arrogant prick. He's also apparently degenerated into writing lesbian porn at this point so accusations of misogyny are probably not far off. (The female in The Watchmen is sort of a non-character, IIRC.)

V for Vendetta was a pretty weak 1984 ripoff, but then it was also one of his earliest books. The real crime for me was how badly League of Extraordinary Gentlemen was butchered by Hollywood because the books, while not as "important" as some of his other stuff, were a whole lot of fun. And really, that's what Alan Moore and most comic book writers are when they're at their best. Not taking themselves too seriously, and just generally fun.

That said, I completely hated that New Yorker review when I read it earlier this week. Maybe it needs to be said that Alan Moore doesn't deserve high literary praise, but I think you could say that, get it out of the way, and make some attempt at understanding the nature and history of what you're critiquing. That review makes no such attempt and makes its aims clear right from the opening line.


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Or what Tanner said.


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i'm not overboard in love with the book, but as far as that genre goes it is light years better than anything else.

as for moore himself i admire him for not participating in the films. he could be a far wealthier and more famous person but he seems more interested in his work not being turned into crap.

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I think he takes himself and his work too seriously, but I admire how he gives his share of the royalties to the artists who worked on the books with him.

And at one time, The Watchmen might have been "light years" better than anything else in its genre, but definitely not now.


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When I hear someone say they don't like comics I think 1 of 2 things--either a)they don't like costumed heroes and think all comics are heroes prancing around fighting crime, or b)they know what modern comics are, but don't like the serial nature of them.

For me personally, probably the big reason I don't like comic books/graphic novels (or whatever you want to call them) is due to several reasons: 1) I didn't grow up with them, so I don't have any connection with anything relating to them. 2) When I have tried reading them I find the pictures distracting. When I read I want to be able to use my imagination--not have pictures forced at me. It really removes the immersive element for me. 3) The aforementioned serial nature is just... obnoxious. But mostly it is reasons 1&2.


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Alan Moore is an excellent writer of comic books. Which is not the same as a writer of books or screenplays. The original Watchmen comic book is not without its faults, but its a damn fine read. That New Yorker article is ridiculous.


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Scathing New Yorker review of basically the whole concept of the Watchmen (comic and movie): http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/c ... inema_lane

I completely hated that New Yorker review when I read it earlier this week. Maybe it needs to be said that Alan Moore doesn't deserve high literary praise, but I think you could say that, get it out of the way, and make some attempt at understanding the nature and history of what you're critiquing. That review makes no such attempt and makes its aims clear right from the opening line.


Anthony Lane ( the New Yorker movie reviewer) is usually spot-on, and I respect his opinion, but it's obvious early in this review that he's never read the Watchmen books. I don't read comics any more but picked up the Watchmen graphic novel on the recommendation of some on this board. I enjoyed it and was impressed by it's creative exploration into just what kind of crazy or maladjusted person would dress themselves in spandex and try to save the world each night. I have yet to see the movie, but I can't imagine the book's loose, fragmented, and somewhat contradictory meaning translates well to the screen. Which is no different than any other adaptation of a novel or story, really. The screen seems best fit for yes/no situations, which may be why the twist ending works so well in a movie. In a book you feel cheated by trick endings or sudden, plot-altering late revelations. A truly nuanced story is almost impossible to portray on screen.


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