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I'll also say it would be cool to label threads that are discussing this idea be labeled:

Essential: Post-Rock

or something like that so it could be easily found.

I'll second Post-Punk, Krautrock

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I nominate scottish pirate themed beer metal.


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I wish I was better with genres, but I've always been kinda fuzzy on what genre a lot of my favorite bands fall into.

I'd love to do a quick list of 25 essential jazz albums, but I take it you'd want something more specific, like 25 essential hard bop albums or 25 essential fusion albums. I couldn't begin to do that.


25 essential hard bop would be fun.


This was hard. Not in any order other than the order that i thought of them. I'm probably missing some of my favorites because I'm not sure exactly where hard bop ends and bop/bebop or soul/jazz start. I also limited myself to one album per artist.

1. Johnny Griffin – A Blowin’ Session
2. The Young Lions – S/T
3. Lee Morgan – The Sidewinder
4. Sonny Rollins – Saxophone Collosus
5. Gene Ammons – Boss Tenor
6. Hank Mobley – Soul Station
7. Joe Henderson – Mode for Joe
8. Sonny Clark – Cool Struttin’
9. Thelonius Monk – Brilliant Corners
10. Horace Silver – Song for My Father
11. Jimmy Smith – The Sermon
12. Dexter Gordon – Go
13. Bobby Hutcherson – Dialogue
14. Nat Adderley – That’s Right!
15. Jackie McLean – Right Now!
16. Lou Donaldson – the Natural Soul
17. Eddie Harris – Silver Cycles
18. Big John Patton – Let ‘Em Roll
19. Wes Montgomery – The Incredible Jazz Guitar of Wes Montgomery
20. Les McCann/Eddie Harris – Swiss Movement
21. Booker Ervin – Freedom Book
22. Cannonball Adderley – Something Else
23. Wayne Shorter – Speak No Evil
24. Elmo Hope – Trio and Quintet
25. Harold Land – The Peacemaker


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I've never heard your #s 1, 2, 5, 7, 8, 11, 14-18, 20, 21, or 23-25. Will have to check out some of those. (Speak No Evil has been in my yourmusic queue forever.)


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maybe lists by scene or city (i.e. athens, chicago, boston, ny, seattle, louisville, la, and so on)


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I could probably come up with a bunch of good albums by Athens (or Athens-connected) bands.


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I started a black rock list yesterday but only got to about 13 until i gave up on it.

I'd be interested in:

Rock En Espanol
Country Rock (not alt country)
Outlaw Country
Spiritual Jazz
First Wave Ska/Rocksteady
Southern Rock
Western Swing
Rockabilly
Pub Rock

I'm not sure there's really many people I'd trust to do a good job on most of those though.

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I'm not sure there's really many people I'd trust to do a good job on most of those though.


I think with most of these, no one here could come up with a good 25. Ideally, you'd need to know at least three times that many albums in a given genre to be able to offer a solid top 25. This is asking for some really in-depth knowledge within some pretty narrow margins. That's why most of these should be collaborative, not one-man efforts.

I mean, your top 25 hard bop list is great, and there are probably some others like that that you could do. For most of these, though, we'll each need to offer up something like 5-10 of our favorites and then narrow those down to 25 by voting or something.


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At this point we don't need to list 25 each, but rather nominate however many albums we love from a particular genre. Voting/discussion comes later.

After we decide on a list of genres to focus on, that is. Unless I misunderstand the idea here... I read it as a bunch of mini genre-specific listmanias


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First Wave Ska/Rocksteady

this one is difficult. ska and rocksteady developed out of an absolutely horrible economic time in jamaica. people barely had loose money for singles. the majority of full-lengths pressed during its heyday were singles compilations from the big names. you've got some heavy hitters like mr soul of jamaica by alton ellis, i feel the spirit by prince buster (if you want to count it), the first two or three desmond dekker albums, maybe a derrick morgan album (can't really say if any of those 60s albums were all-new material or not), maybe an early toots & the maytals, but i can't think of 25 albums even released that i'd consider true albums and not just single-artist compilations before ska and rocksteady gave way to reggae. i'd help with this, but it's a tough one.


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At this point we don't need to list 25 each, but rather nominate however many albums we love from a particular genre. Voting/discussion comes later.

After we decide on a list of genres to focus on, that is. Unless I misunderstand the idea here... I read it as a bunch of mini genre-specific listmanias


Yeah that's probably what Flying Rabbit intended. I just would say that we shouldn't discourage people from posting their own top 25 if they feel they know a genre well enough. I think just like with listmania the individual lists could be far more interesting. I know I'd much rather see a tentoze country rock or southern rock list than some cumulative one that might think a bunch of ryan adams albums belong on it.


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Drank Wrote:
Genres:

Hard Bop
'60s-'70s Folk Rock
Glam Rock ('70s)
Krautrock (or "Euro" rock, basically non-English/American rock from the late '60s, early '70s)
Post Punk


I guess I could come up with some in this "genre". furthermore I could focus on art rock and progressive rock.

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and i could probably do one for Turntablism as well

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At this point we don't need to list 25 each, but rather nominate however many albums we love from a particular genre. Voting/discussion comes later.

After we decide on a list of genres to focus on, that is. Unless I misunderstand the idea here... I read it as a bunch of mini genre-specific listmanias


Yeah that's probably what Flying Rabbit intended. I just would say that we shouldn't discourage people from posting their own top 25 if they feel they know a genre well enough. I think just like with listmania the individual lists could be far more interesting. I know I'd much rather see a tentoze country rock or southern rock list than some cumulative one that might think a bunch of ryan adams albums belong on it.


Ya, I agree, however the number 25 might intimidate people from posting, if they only have 5 or 10 favorite albums in a particular genre.

I expect most of the fun in this will be the heated debates on what does or does not belong in the various genres.


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I wonder if we could talk Haq into adding a genre column to the charts... maybe even a field that allows multiple entries


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Ah, a conversation about music! Which inspires both snark and expertise, the Obnerian dialogue.

Half of Billy G's list I wouldn't categorize as hard bop.... but close enough I guess. And that's what the enterprize is about.

I'd be happy to do seventies soul, Motown, ambient, glitch pop, British folk rock, salsa, soca, tex-mex, 60's garage....

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I could maybe chip in for reggae and hardcore.

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and i could probably do one for Turntablism as well


What the hell is Turntablism?


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What the hell is Turntablism?

kid koala, cut chemist, mix master mike... dudes like that.


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harry Wrote:
Half of Billy G's list I wouldn't categorize as hard bop.... but close enough I guess. And that's what the enterprize is about..


Yeah, like i said I have a hard time deciding where bop ends and hard bop starts and where hard bop ends and post bop and soul jazz starts. I could see calling bullshit on Jimmy Smith - The Sermon being hard bop but AMG listed it as one of their essential hard bop albums so i didn't question it. I'm not sure what else on my list wouldn't be hard bop. There were a few things that I love though that AMG also called hard bop that bullshit on and didn't include such as Frank Foster - The Loud Minority. That would definitely be on the list if I agreed that it was hard bop though.

Would be interested in seeing any of those lists you can come up with.


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I'd be happy to do British folk rock, 60's garage....


yes please


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