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I've been in seminars full of investors and more than once heard a question that began "Jim Cramer says..."
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I don't doubt that Cramer has credentials, but everyone should have a healthy distrust for what they learn on tv. Especially when it's being yelled at you.

"I better buy Kramerica because this guy that I don't know sure is excited about it."


Oh we totally agree....people should be distrustful of things that they hear on TV but we both know that they aren't. And CNBC, FWIW, passes off a lot of things as really more important than they are because there is this sort of mysterious thing about the financial system and investing. And they definitely have an influence over public opinion.

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Not to hijack, but did anyone happen to catch the Glenn Beck special on American Values(my grandparents are visiting and my house is foxnews central right now)?

SCARY, and unintentionally hilarious.


Man, Glenn Beck just might be the worst. I haven't seen this, but that guy is something different. I think he has a screw or two loose.

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Spending time at my sister's in NC over the last 2 weeks, I got a quick overdose of Faux News, since she and her husband's politics are somewhere to the right of Attila The Hun. Watching them batter and deep-frying a copy of the budget one morning was very insightful.


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Not to hijack, but did anyone happen to catch the Glenn Beck special on American Values(my grandparents are visiting and my house is foxnews central right now)?

SCARY, and unintentionally hilarious.


Man, Glenn Beck just might be the worst. I haven't seen this, but that guy is something different. I think he has a screw or two loose.


I really recommend watching. He cries because of what is happening to America, and he keeps reminding the viewing public, who we can only assume have American values, that they are NOT ALONE.

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http://www.glennbeck.com/#

Go to featured videos and watch the "912project"

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I tried to find somebody of that sort that I could like that nobody else did - because everybody would adopt his group, and his group would be _it_; someone weird like Captain Beefheart. It's no different now - people trying to outdo ! each other in extremes. There are people who like X, and there are people who say X are wimps; they like Black Flag.


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http://www.glennbeck.com/#

Go to featured videos and watch the "912project"

Jesus Fucking Christ.

That guy ain't nuts, he's dangerous. Now I can see why I never liked him.

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If so, then you’ve fallen for the Wizard of Oz lie. While the voices you hear in the distance may sound intimidating, as if they surround us from all sides—the reality is very different. Once you pull the curtain away you realize that there are only a few people pressing the buttons, and their voices are weak. The truth is that they don’t surround us at all.


And after saying this, he urges people to press buttons to so HE can lead them to a better world?

Clueless and arrogant. At least Limbaugh admits that he's an asshole.

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I'm not a financial wiz, nor do I really watch CNBC, but Cramer has definitely talked about overleveraging/FAIL banks, etc..

I just don't find this funny, informative, or having real worth.

Again, this is a massive crisis in confidence, built around an empire of sand.... in 2 years it won't be depression 2, it will be S&L 2.


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"Stewart's a comedian and Cramer is a showman," said Robert Howell, professor at Dartmouth University's Tuck School of Business. "If anybody takes seriously anything that (Cramer) says, they're stupid."

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You only need to hear Beck for 1 minute and know he's scary with a smile on his face. Otherwise, I think some of you did 'nt even watch the whole cramer / stewart thing unedited. I am scratching my head at some of the comments.


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smug demagoguery. he's like paul harvey on a bad trip.

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You only need to hear Beck for 1 minute and know he's scary with a smile on his face. Otherwise, I think some of you did 'nt even watch the whole cramer / stewart thing unedited. I am scratching my head at some of the comments.


I've watched both versions, but haven't compared them to see what the specific differences are. I'm not sure which one I like better.

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I'm not a financial wiz, nor do I really watch CNBC, but Cramer has definitely talked about overleveraging/FAIL banks, etc..

I just don't find this funny, informative, or having real worth.

Again, this is a massive crisis in confidence, built around an empire of sand.... in 2 years it won't be depression 2, it will be S&L 2.


poking a stick in the Man's eye always has worth


I agree with this on principle, but I think Stewart is smugger than most of the people he lambastes, a nightly Bill Maher if you will.

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I understand that you, of all people, know this crisis and, in your own way, are working to address it. You, the madras-pantsed julip-sipping Southern cracker and me, the oldman hippie California fruit cake are brothers in the struggle to save our country.

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Senator Lou Gar Wrote:
I agree with this on principle, but I think Stewart is smugger than most of the people he lambastes, a nightly Bill Maher if you will.


I never thought of the two of them as being so similar, but I don't disagree. I guess I was always distracted by Stewarts pussyness and Maher's assholishness.

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I agree with this on principle, but I think Stewart is smugger than most of the people he lambastes, a nightly Bill Maher if you will.


I never thought of the two of them as being so similar, but I don't disagree. I guess I was always distracted by Stewarts pussyness and Maher's assholishness.


Two things that get poked by big dicks and then whine if it hurts too much....sort of like sniping at everything and not offering solutions.

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I understand that you, of all people, know this crisis and, in your own way, are working to address it. You, the madras-pantsed julip-sipping Southern cracker and me, the oldman hippie California fruit cake are brothers in the struggle to save our country.

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I agree with this on principle, but I think Stewart is smugger than most of the people he lambastes, a nightly Bill Maher if you will.


I never thought of the two of them as being so similar, but I don't disagree. I guess I was always distracted by Stewarts pussyness and Maher's assholishness.

They're both two sides of the same coin, Stewart's just relatively sober and thinks about what he says before it comes out his mouth, IMO.

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Senator Lou Gar Wrote:
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I agree with this on principle, but I think Stewart is smugger than most of the people he lambastes, a nightly Bill Maher if you will.


I never thought of the two of them as being so similar, but I don't disagree. I guess I was always distracted by Stewarts pussyness and Maher's assholishness.


Two things that get poked by big dicks and then whine if it hurts too much....sort of like sniping at everything and not offering solutions.


I disagree somewhat...I'm only a semi-regular viewer of Maher's show and rarely if ever watch the Daily Show but I think that Maher's panel does oftentimes try and find solutions to problems rather than just sniping (which is totally what he is doing otherwise)

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And I'm not sure I've ever heard Stewart whine. I don't think I've ever seen a dick that he couldn't handle.

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I agree with this on principle, but I think Stewart is smugger than most of the people he lambastes, a nightly Bill Maher if you will.


I never thought of the two of them as being so similar, but I don't disagree. I guess I was always distracted by Stewarts pussyness and Maher's assholishness.


Two things that get poked by big dicks and then whine if it hurts too much....sort of like sniping at everything and not offering solutions.


I disagree somewhat...I'm only a semi-regular viewer of Maher's show and rarely if ever watch the Daily Show but I think that Maher's panel does oftentimes try and find solutions to problems rather than just sniping (which is totally what he is doing otherwise)


The problem with both, and Rush, Olberman, ad naseum is that when a guest doesn't agree, the eyerolls and smarm kick in, rather than an actual argument.

"Now, John, I think.."

*Looks at camera out the corner of his eye and smirks*

"Now, Keith, I think..."

*Looks at camera out the corner of his eye and smirks*

" Now, Bill, I think..."

*Looks at camera out the corner of his eye and smirks*


Which is the whole problem with infotainment in the first place. I am not innocent of this at all, but it seems to have become the de rigeur response in our society rather than substantive disagreement.

:shrug: - It is what it is, and I'd love to trade this work a day schlub shit for a fat TV gig...

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harry Wrote:
I understand that you, of all people, know this crisis and, in your own way, are working to address it. You, the madras-pantsed julip-sipping Southern cracker and me, the oldman hippie California fruit cake are brothers in the struggle to save our country.

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You're right except in the case of Olbermann--he doesn't even book guests who disagree with his worldview. so there is never an opposing viewpoint even aired. The Soviets would be proud of such balance.


Also, the combined viewership of Olberman, Maher and Stewart is about 10% of Rush's audience--not that this matters per se but it is worth noting.

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Also, the combined viewership of Olberman, Maher and Stewart is about 10% of Rush's audience--not that this matters per se but it is worth noting.
quick wikipedia reference, for what that's worth, puts the Daily show ~1.5 mil x 4 nights a week, Rush ~13.5 mil a week (2.7M x 5 days a week? I have no idea). so they're not close, but closer than i expected.


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The main difference is Stewart is occasionally funny as opposed to Maher, who only thinks he's funny.

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The main difference is Stewart is occasionally funny as opposed to Maher, who only thinks he's funny.


i enjoyed last nights Maher. Very interesting debates.

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I dont think comedy shows like maher or stewart need to be pointing out solutions

Olbermann and rush though...

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Senator Lou Gar Wrote:
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I agree with this on principle, but I think Stewart is smugger than most of the people he lambastes, a nightly Bill Maher if you will.


I never thought of the two of them as being so similar, but I don't disagree. I guess I was always distracted by Stewarts pussyness and Maher's assholishness.


Two things that get poked by big dicks and then whine if it hurts too much....sort of like sniping at everything and not offering solutions.


I disagree somewhat...I'm only a semi-regular viewer of Maher's show and rarely if ever watch the Daily Show but I think that Maher's panel does oftentimes try and find solutions to problems rather than just sniping (which is totally what he is doing otherwise)


The problem with both, and Rush, Olberman, ad naseum is that when a guest doesn't agree, the eyerolls and smarm kick in, rather than an actual argument.

"Now, John, I think.."

*Looks at camera out the corner of his eye and smirks*

"Now, Keith, I think..."

*Looks at camera out the corner of his eye and smirks*

" Now, Bill, I think..."

*Looks at camera out the corner of his eye and smirks*


Which is the whole problem with infotainment in the first place. I am not innocent of this at all, but it seems to have become the de rigeur response in our society rather than substantive disagreement.

:shrug: - It is what it is, and I'd love to trade this work a day schlub shit for a fat TV gig...


OK, so waitaminute. Are you saying CNBC DOESN'T need to be called on the carpet for puff piece, lazy reporting and essentially acting as a 17 hour-a-day infomercial for the financial industry and Wall Street? Come on.

Granted, Cramer is the face of that sin if not the main transgressor but this is an issue that needs to be brought out into the daylight, dissected, examined and analyzed so someone maybe gets clue that acting as a transcription service and soapbox for CEOs - instead of a critical outlet focused on more than good "gets" - has real fucking consequences.

Is Cramer an entertainer or a financial expert? Well, he made a shitload in hedge funds so he must know something and that's why people would value what he says. Should people look deeper on their own before investing? Of course. But that doesn't mean the bulk of the financial journalism complex should escape scrutiny for falling asleep at the wheel on this.

9/11 gave Bush a good three years of hands-off from the media but that pales compared to the 10+ years of media softballs that the real estate boom and The Fed's expansionary policy afforded CEOs. Both wrought tremendous long-term damage and both will take a while to right.

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