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What should be done?
Nothing. A contract is a contract. Voiding them is a slippery slope 15%  15%  [ 6 ]
Bonus? For what? Running the company into the ground? Get the taxpayer money back. 72%  72%  [ 28 ]
Keep bonuses but commit Hari Kari. The Charles Grassley option 5%  5%  [ 2 ]
Meh 8%  8%  [ 3 ]
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Government salaries, even for president and congress, are a fraction of the money the AIG people are bringing in to begin with.


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And I must have missed the announcement that Barney Frank, Charles Schumer, Obama, Geithner, et al were taking big paycuts until the economy gets turned around. This faux populism is bs and dangerous.
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Can we agree that a pay cut isn't the same thing as not receiving a bonus?


no, the guaranteed minimum bonus is essentially salary.


yeah thats how I think about mine. guaranteed a certain % of my base salary and it gets multiplied depending on various factors.


Various factors like bringing down the entire banking system, putting every Western nation into economic recession and putting millions of people out of work?

Also how can a 'bonus' possibly be classed as salary? The very definition of bonus is ' something in addition to what is expected or strictly due'. So you might like to 'think' of it as salary but if it is a bonus then by definition its not salary.

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And, as Eliot Spitzer lays out on Slate, the bigger problem lies in WHO the bailout money was paid to.


And if anyone knows about a "problem" with paying out money, it's Eliot Spitzer.


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I don't understand a contractual bonus. Were these bonuses paid to execs who performed well? If they are getting bonuses for running the company into the ground, then that is sort of ridiculous.


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I voted 2. Here's my reasoning - If the government hadn't bailed out these corporations, they would have gone under. Would they still have received these bonuses if the company went broke? I doubt it.


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I'm sure these are also the same people who piss and moan about how UAW members are compensated.

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I don't understand a contractual bonus. Were these bonuses paid to execs who performed well? If they are getting bonuses for running the company into the ground, then that is sort of ridiculous.


A lot of employee contracts include a section on bonuses. Typically, they will provide for a range as a percentage of salary. The lower end of the range is thus guaranteed and not subject to anything other than staying an employee while anything above that is either up to the discretion of management or based on the achievement of specific outcomes. If there is any benefit to either the company or an employee to have their comp structured this way rather than just bumping up the base salary, I don't know. It is common though.

I don't think that is what these bonuses were. I read a couple of articles that referred to them as retention bonuses. Retention bonuses are often given to key employees when a company is restructuring. The idea behind them is that when employees start to fear that a company is in trouble and that they don't have long term job security, the good employees start to look for other jobs. If all the good employees leave, the company becomes even more troubled. Thus, it can be worth it for a period of time to pay the employees you identify to be your key employees above market wages to get them to agree to stay on during a restructuring period. You can debate the amounts or whether some of these specific people were worth retaining, but the practice itself has some merit.


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http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/com ... 448.column

there is no reason for the discrepancy between this financial institution and the various other institutions whose employees were forced to "eat" contractual provisions to which they are entitled.


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http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-rutten18-2009mar18,0,3664448.column

there is no reason for the discrepancy between this financial institution and the various other institutions whose employees were forced to "eat" contractual provisions to which they are entitled.


I don't see much of a parallel.


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[quote]“We wrote the language in the bill, the deal with bonuses, golden parachutes, excessive executive compensation that was adopted unanimously by the United States Senate in the stimulus bill,â€

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contracts, schmontracts

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The outrage isn't with respect to the amount of bonuses compared to the amount of taxpayer funds used to bail out aig, it's the idea of the people whose fraudulent activity caused the problem getting ridiculous perks in spite of the results of their actions (and yes 165 million is a shit load of money).


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and the daughter keeps the kid in both scenarios, and I go to jail.


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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/22/opini ... .html?_r=1

well said, by frank rich.


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