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one of my favorite bands ever, and what became of them, Entombed.


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as stated by toots, definitely going with Dead (Per Yngve Ohlin). dude was completely fucked, far more so than GG even. his pure hatred for humanity & life is frightening.


Just read the Mayhem bio on allmusic. My question: what set's this "Dead" sicko apart from his bandmates? They all seem to fit the category well.

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I don't see how anyone with any appreciation for already existing music (i.e. Laughner, Thunders, Joplin, etc...) could possibly be included here. These people all revered a lot of the music that came before them. A nihilist would have probably pissed on Bessie Smith's grave in Mount Lawn cemetery before buying her a new headstone.


So, G.G. Allin, then. But I don't think he'd buy a replacement headstone.


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Their music most often sucked, but Zack de la Rocha had a solid anarchist theoretical base to his rock and roll. Anarchy is not nihilism as you've meant it, but still.


FWIW, I never bought de la Rocha's act. If he was who he claimed to be, he wouldn't have cashed those checks from a major label (multinational company)

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Their music most often sucked, but Zack de la Rocha had a solid anarchist theoretical base to his rock and roll. Anarchy is not nihilism as you've meant it, but still.


FWIW, I never bought de la Rocha's act. If he was who he claimed to be, he wouldn't have cashed those checks from a major label (multinational company)


de la Rocha was just dumb. A lot of dumb people hate the world because they have problems rationalizing things.

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Their music most often sucked, but Zack de la Rocha had a solid anarchist theoretical base to his rock and roll. Anarchy is not nihilism as you've meant it, but still.


FWIW, I never bought de la Rocha's act. If he was who he claimed to be, he wouldn't have cashed those checks from a major label (multinational company)


de la Rocha was just dumb. A lot of dumb people hate the world because they have problems rationalizing things.


i.e. Every self-proclaimed radical in my city, and probably most other cities as well. Richmond has the worst I've ever seen, though.


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Yail Bloor Wrote:
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Their music most often sucked, but Zack de la Rocha had a solid anarchist theoretical base to his rock and roll. Anarchy is not nihilism as you've meant it, but still.


FWIW, I never bought de la Rocha's act. If he was who he claimed to be, he wouldn't have cashed those checks from a major label (multinational company)


Telling that they only reunite for mega-super-$$$$ festival gigs but Morello's the one (for better or worse) out doing the small solo shows and cause-related stuff with Steve Earle and such. Barely related: I'm not too hopeful about Morello's Street Sweeper project with Boots Riley from The Coup - someone who needs absolutely no one along side him.

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I don't see how anyone with any appreciation for already existing music (i.e. Laughner, Thunders, Joplin, etc...) could possibly be included here. These people all revered a lot of the music that came before them.

Truth. Thunders wasn't a nihilist at all. He was a r 'n' r true believer, which would've made him a romantic if anything. Vicious, Laughner, and Joplin I'd put in the same camp - mortally wounded romantics.

A real nihilist is probably hard to find in music (easy to find in metal, but I'm talking about music here). Billy Joel is probably the closest. Or Chad Kroeger.


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Danny Don't Rapp Wrote:
Mick the Stripper Wrote:
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Their music most often sucked, but Zack de la Rocha had a solid anarchist theoretical base to his rock and roll. Anarchy is not nihilism as you've meant it, but still.


FWIW, I never bought de la Rocha's act. If he was who he claimed to be, he wouldn't have cashed those checks from a major label (multinational company)


de la Rocha was just dumb. A lot of dumb people hate the world because they have problems rationalizing things.


i.e. Every self-proclaimed radical in my city, and probably most other cities as well. Richmond has the worst I've ever seen, though.


Rubbish. Anyone could at one time or another an can be called "dumb hating the world because they have trouble rationalizing.." including all of us here who post on Obner. Anarchism could be a thoughtful theoretical approach to seeing ways to free the publilc sphere (Bakunin, Kropotikin) or simply sloppy thinking and reactive politics. Saying "all self-proclaimed radicals.." are one way or another is similarly sloppy essentialist thinking.

De la Rocha was not the sharpest arrow in the quiver and probably was hypocritical in many ways, but other that Jello Biafra, he was the most visible popular musician I know of who accessed established anarchist thought... which was what and why I introduced him here on this thread.

I just never really liked the music.

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harry Wrote:
Danny Don't Rapp Wrote:
Mick the Stripper Wrote:
Yail Bloor Wrote:
harry Wrote:
Their music most often sucked, but Zack de la Rocha had a solid anarchist theoretical base to his rock and roll. Anarchy is not nihilism as you've meant it, but still.


FWIW, I never bought de la Rocha's act. If he was who he claimed to be, he wouldn't have cashed those checks from a major label (multinational company)


de la Rocha was just dumb. A lot of dumb people hate the world because they have problems rationalizing things.


i.e. Every self-proclaimed radical in my city, and probably most other cities as well. Richmond has the worst I've ever seen, though.


Rubbish. Anyone could at one time or another an can be called "dumb hating the world because they have trouble rationalizing.." including all of us here who post on Obner. Anarchism could be a thoughtful theoretical approach to seeing ways to free the publilc sphere (Bakunin, Kropotikin) or simply sloppy thinking and reactive politics. Saying "all self-proclaimed radicals.." are one way or another is similarly sloppy essentialist thinking.

De la Rocha was not the sharpest arrow in the quiver and probably was hypocritical in many ways, but other that Jello Biafra, he was the most visible popular musician I know of who accessed established anarchist thought... which was what and why I introduced him here on this thread.

I just never really liked the music.


The music starts off as shit...

But then, because it is beloved by homophobes, skinheads, racists, shitty car enthusiasts, and general lowbrows worldwide, it takes a left-turn into cultural irrelevance and utter stupidity. It's "amp up" music for unqualified construction site laborers before that last hit of speed prior to just catching that last last bus to the Big Summer Festival (wooohoo), or before piling 7 deep into a station wagon to "totally crack that little faggot queer's skull" before he makes it to that party on friday night.

See also: Tool.

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wow mick's got it figgered out

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And the worst thing about violent homophobes is that they're so fucking dumb, they only end up bashing actual queers about 15 per cent of the time.

Not to say that they should be hitting a greater success rate than that, just that, you know. Shit for brains.

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And the worst thing about violent homophobes is that they're so fucking dumb, they only end up bashing actual queers about 15 per cent of the time.

Not to say that they should be hitting a greater success rate than that, just that, you know. Shit for brains.


I shouldn't even bother, right Obner?

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wow mick's got it figgered out


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De la Rocha was not the sharpest arrow in the quiver and probably was hypocritical in many ways, but other that Jello Biafra, he was the most visible popular musician I know of who accessed established anarchist thought... which was what and why I introduced him here on this thread.


He's gone now of course but still...

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Yail Bloor Wrote:
harry Wrote:
De la Rocha was not the sharpest arrow in the quiver and probably was hypocritical in many ways, but other that Jello Biafra, he was the most visible popular musician I know of who accessed established anarchist thought... which was what and why I introduced him here on this thread.


He's gone now of course but still...

[img][497:500]http://www.morethings.com/music/zappa/frank_zappa_images/Zappa-milk-cookies.jpg[/img]


Nice. Although by the end he really was more of a Ron Paul Libertarian than Anarchist.

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Yail Bloor Wrote:
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Their music most often sucked, but Zack de la Rocha had a solid anarchist theoretical base to his rock and roll. Anarchy is not nihilism as you've meant it, but still.


FWIW, I never bought de la Rocha's act. If he was who he claimed to be, he wouldn't have cashed those checks from a major label (multinational company)


Telling that they only reunite for mega-super-$$$$ festival gigs but Morello's the one (for better or worse) out doing the small solo shows and cause-related stuff with Steve Earle and such. Barely related: I'm not too hopeful about Morello's Street Sweeper project with Boots Riley from The Coup - someone who needs absolutely no one along side him.


I consider Zack's post-RAGE rap solo project (produced by ?uestlove?) to be the post-Nevermind answer to Chinesse Democracy. He's not so much money-grubbing or an hypocrite as he is unfocused (a la Axl).


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