SPIN's Top 10 Canadian Musicians.

robotboy · **Posted:** Thu Jul 09, 2009 11:20 am

DumpJack Wrote:

robotboy Wrote:

i think that exhausts my knowledge of canadian artists.

I think there was a Top 10 list somewhere in this thread.

yeah but some of those i just dont care about. and there's the hip thing....

actually looking back i guess there are just a few that i dont care about. so i think that brings the canuck artists in my musical canon up to 11! GOOOO CANADA

jsh · **Posted:** Thu Jul 09, 2009 11:21 am

XIX Wrote:

she grew up down the street from Geddy Lee. No joke.

I played select T-ball with Geddy Lee's son, Julian. Geddy loves baseball and was at all of our games.

robotboy · **Posted:** Thu Jul 09, 2009 11:21 am

Promethium Wrote:

robotboy Wrote:

i think that exhausts my knowledge of canadian artists.

What?
No Anne Murray or Celine Dion?
Loverboy and Nickelback?
Avril Lavigne or Sum 41?

FUCK. you are right. i didnt think hard enough.

toots · **Posted:** Thu Jul 09, 2009 11:27 am

don't forget japandroids

DumpJack · **Posted:** Thu Jul 09, 2009 11:28 am

robotboy Wrote:

DumpJack Wrote:

robotboy Wrote:

i think that exhausts my knowledge of canadian artists.

I think there was a Top 10 list somewhere in this thread.

yeah but some of those i just dont care about. and there's the hip thing....

actually looking back i guess there are just a few. so i think that brings the canuck artists in my musical canon up to 11! GOOOO CANADA

I was being facetious actually. That's an awful Top 10 list.

Aren't you from Chicago or somewhere northern? Considering the proximity I'm a bit surprised that you wouldn't know a few more.

rogneeb · **Joined:** Mon Oct 25, 2004 1:07 pm **Posts:** 12618

Prince of Darkness Wrote:

I actually like Canada, and most of the Canadians i've met. I also like alot of the canadian musicians who've garnered some attention.

But dumpjack, other than that cajun bread pudding recipe, you're pretty much a worthless sack of shit. Although that was a really good recipe.

One last thing.

Do something creative. Anything at all. Then tell us all about it. Write a song. Record it. Draw a picture or write a story. Use your keen scientific observational skills to make one person feel anything at all, like they're less alone in the universe, and then i'll take your slagging of my music seriously. Till then, you're just a nothing man. A zero. You haven't given a damn thing. You've taken no chances. You're just an imbecile but you think you

know everything about everything which makes you the saddest kind of buffoon there is.

cmon.

Senator LooGAR · **Posted:** Thu Jul 09, 2009 12:13 pm

shhh and the midols Wrote:

DumpJack Wrote:

an R.E.M.-type brusqueness

thats the first thing i thought of, after revisiting the hip tenner (i assume you put together). probably way over-simplifying here, but they struck me as canada's answer to stipe and co. on first impression...

This was my take on them as well.

Radcliffe · **Posted:** Thu Jul 09, 2009 12:17 pm

robotboy Wrote:

actually looking back i guess there are just a few that i dont care about. so i think that brings the canuck artists in my musical canon up to 11! GOOOO CANADA

Just from my area alone, off the top of my head:

The Circus In Flames
Copyright
Slow
Sons of Freedom
Jungle
The Black Halos
The Beekeepers
Zumpano
Pure
Psychomania
The Nasty On
Lions in the Street
Destroyer
New Pornographers
Art Bergmann
The Scramblers
The Modernettes
Subhumans
DOA
No Means No
Dayglo Abortions
The Young Canadians
The Pointed Sticks
Pluto
Cub
Veal
Flophouse Jr.
Volumizer
Black Mountain
Ladyhawke
Blood Meridian
Like a Martyr
Rat Silo
Brundlefly
The Organ
Hot Hot Heat
Rich Hope
Christa Couture
Leeroy Stagger
The Gay
The Cinch
Stinkmitt
Tank Hog
Panurge
P:ano
Pink Mountaintops
Chet
The Beige
Japandroids
The Evaporators
Jerk With A Bomb
Rodney Decroo
Pride Tiger
Three Inches of Blood
Bison
S.T.R.E.E.T.S.

and, yes, these too:

Chilliwack
B.T.O.
Bryan Adams
Michael Buble
Nelly Furtado

Go school yourself.

Kit · **Joined:** Mon Oct 25, 2004 2:47 pm **Posts:** 3052

Wow this thread.

The Hip's Fully Completely is pretty great I think. So is Phil.

In regard to the Hip being Canada's answer to Stipe and Co? Not my impression. Doesn't sound particularly 90s alt rock to me either.

robotboy · **Posted:** Thu Jul 09, 2009 12:22 pm

DumpJack Wrote:

robotboy Wrote:

DumpJack Wrote:

robotboy Wrote:

i think that exhausts my knowledge of canadian artists.

I think there was a Top 10 list somewhere in this thread.

yeah but some of those i just dont care about. and there's the hip thing....

actually looking back i guess there are just a few. so i think that brings the canuck artists in my musical canon up to 11! GOOOO CANADA

I was being facetious actually. That's an awful Top 10 list.

Aren't you from Chicago or somewhere northern? Considering the proximity I'm a bit surprised that you wouldn't know a few more.

im from chicago. and yeah i know more than i'm letting on. i'm just being stupid to be stupid

robotboy · **Posted:** Thu Jul 09, 2009 12:22 pm

i was big into thrush hermit for a while

toots · **Posted:** Thu Jul 09, 2009 12:27 pm

Kit Wrote:

In regard to the Hip being Canada's answer to Stipe and Co? Not my impression.

some songs yes, some songs definitely no.

a lot of it had to do with the singers pinched(?) voice over jangly guitars

but they obviously move beyond that template

Radcliffe · **Posted:** Thu Jul 09, 2009 12:35 pm

shhh and the midols Wrote:

Kit Wrote:

In regard to the Hip being Canada's answer to Stipe and Co? Not my impression.

some songs yes, some songs definitely no.

a lot of it had to do with the singers pinched(?) voice over jangly guitars

but they obviously move beyond that template

I've always thought it was an apt comparison. Both bands had a similar origin in "college rock" and a trajectory out of it, developing their sound as they slowly gained an audience through constant touring, both have obtuse poetic lyrics, and both have an oddly charismatic singer who sorta mumbles and quickly went bald and shaved his head.

Sonically speaking though? Not really.

Prince of Darkness · **Joined:** Mon Oct 25, 2004 11:41 am **Posts:** 11048

DumpJack Wrote:

I'll take being called a worthless sack of shit as a compliment. Better people than you have called me worse. Look, I never said I know everything about everything at all, far from it. That would be quite arrogant, wouldn't it? Just calling it how I see it from my end. As for being creative, I've wrote and contributed a fair amount to the scientific literature for my age. I have put it out there for judgment, all the goddamn time. You can go ahead and call it not creative and I suspect you will based on the ignorance you've shown thus far, but it is, science is a creative exercise. One still has to sit down and create something from nothing and if done well enough it will also inspires and give others ideas about the world and the universe. If that's not creative, then maybe we need to define our terms more. But as for your challenge, I'd be more than happy to post a couple of my wordier review papers here, and I could even quantify how people think of them (via Citation Index).

While i'll buy this to a certain extent, at the end of the day you're drawing conclusions on your observations with which people either agree or disagree, but you're not putting your soul on the line. Isn't science ultimately quantifiable? Music isn't. You're playing high stakes poker with the emotional equivalent of monopoly money in my book. So you're not really creating something from nothing, you're just piecing together observable phenomena in a way that maybe no one else has done yet, but given time someone else would have. Just because Newton observed gravity doesn't mean it wasn't there and someone wouldn't have noticed it in time.

DumpJack Wrote:

Also, if you still want to call me names go ahead, just have it makes sense, for christ's sake. Imbecile, buffoon. You're all over the map.

An imbecile is a stupid person. A buffoon is a ridiculous but amusing person. Both definitions fit and are not mutually exclusive. I know english isn't your degreed area of expertise but i didn't think i was using particularly large words that you wouldn't understand.

Dick Meatwood · **Posted:** Thu Jul 09, 2009 1:33 pm

Prince of Darkness Wrote:

While i'll buy this to a certain extent, at the end of the day you're drawing conclusions on your observations with which people either agree or disagree, but you're not putting your soul on the line. Isn't science ultimately quantifiable? Music isn't. You're playing high stakes poker with the emotional equivalent of monopoly money in my book. So you're not really creating something from nothing, you're just piecing together observable phenomena in a way that maybe no one else has done yet, but given time someone else would have. Just because Newton observed gravity doesn't mean it wasn't there and someone wouldn't have noticed it in time.

Way out of my area of knowledge here, but I don't think most modern scientific papers are just Newtonian observations. I think there's a lot of personal opinion put forth about how certain data should be applied to certain situations and what the practical use of that is. No two people may ever come to the same conclusions about how a specific disease should be treated or how a certain environmental issue should be addressed.

Dalen · **Posted:** Thu Jul 09, 2009 1:36 pm

you guys are missing the best Canadian band ever...

Elvis Fu · **Posted:** Thu Jul 09, 2009 1:42 pm

Prince of Darkness Wrote:

While i'll buy this to a certain extent, at the end of the day you're drawing conclusions on your observations with which people either agree or disagree, but you're not putting your soul on the line. Isn't science ultimately quantifiable? Music isn't. You're playing high stakes poker with the emotional equivalent of monopoly money in my book. So you're not really creating something from nothing, you're just piecing together observable phenomena in a way that maybe no one else has done yet, but given time someone else would have. Just because Newton observed gravity doesn't mean it wasn't there and someone wouldn't have noticed it in time.

Seriously?

Prince of Darkness · **Joined:** Mon Oct 25, 2004 11:41 am **Posts:** 11048

Drinky Wrote:

Prince of Darkness Wrote:

While i'll buy this to a certain extent, at the end of the day you're drawing conclusions on your observations with which people either agree or disagree, but you're not putting your soul on the line. Isn't science ultimately quantifiable? Music isn't. You're playing high stakes poker with the emotional equivalent of monopoly money in my book. So you're not really creating something from nothing, you're just piecing together observable phenomena in a way that maybe no one else has done yet, but given time someone else would have. Just because Newton observed gravity doesn't mean it wasn't there and someone wouldn't have noticed it in time.

Way out of my area of knowledge here, but I don't think most modern scientific papers are just Newtonian observations. I think there's a lot of personal opinion put forth about how certain data should be applied to certain situations and what the practical use of that is. No two people may ever come to the same conclusions about how a specific disease should be treated or how a certain environmental issue should be addressed.

Yeah, i know, total oversimplification. And I have no idea what DJ's field even is.

Just an intro to statistics class shows how much you can skew the same set of data through presentation.

Still, i think there's more emotional investment in the music i make on my own time than in the music i make for work. I'm doing it because i'm compelled to, not because the mortgage depends on it.

I think everyone has to have some kind of pursuit outside of work to stay sane.

Putting that out there for people to consume and judge is alot more dangerous and personal than me getting a choir ready for competition, or (in my opinion) dj writing a paper about whatever the hell he writes about for work.

Prince of Darkness · **Joined:** Mon Oct 25, 2004 11:41 am **Posts:** 11048

Elvis Fu Wrote:

Prince of Darkness Wrote:

While i'll buy this to a certain extent, at the end of the day you're drawing conclusions on your observations with which people either agree or disagree, but you're not putting your soul on the line. Isn't science ultimately quantifiable? Music isn't. You're playing high stakes poker with the emotional equivalent of monopoly money in my book. So you're not really creating something from nothing, you're just piecing together observable phenomena in a way that maybe no one else has done yet, but given time someone else would have. Just because Newton observed gravity doesn't mean it wasn't there and someone wouldn't have noticed it in time.

Seriously?

Why not? Are you more emotionally invested in the graphic design you do for work, or the art you create for it's own sake?

ayah · **Joined:** Mon Oct 25, 2004 12:03 pm **Posts:** 6402

Kit Wrote:

Wow this thread.

best birthday present.
other than menopause.
(DISAPPOINTED!)

Elvis Fu · **Posted:** Thu Jul 09, 2009 1:53 pm

Emotional investment doesn't really mean anything other than emotional investment. Even as a creative, and even grading on the Message Board Exaggeration curve, making the suggestion that creating music requires more emotional investment, and therefore more noble than practicing and publishing for science, is biased and arrogant.

For the record, I have no dog in this feud. I think you are both yelling the same shit at each other.

Cap'n Squirrgle · **Posted:** Thu Jul 09, 2009 1:56 pm

Elvis Fu Wrote:

I think you are both yelling the same shit at each other.

+1

Cap'n Squirrgle · **Posted:** Thu Jul 09, 2009 1:57 pm

ayah Wrote:

menopause

baby factory shut down, eh?

Promethium · **Posted:** Thu Jul 09, 2009 1:58 pm

Prince of Darkness Wrote:

Still, i think there's more emotional investment in the music i make on my own time than in the music i make for work. I'm doing it because i'm compelled to, not because the mortgage depends on it.

I think everyone has to have some kind of pursuit outside of work to stay sane.

Putting that out there for people to consume and judge is alot more dangerous and personal than me getting a choir ready for competition, or (in my opinion) dj writing a paper about whatever the hell he writes about for work.

I have my Grad degree in the Social Sciences and never became a true academic like Dumpjack, but I think people are just as compelled to produce a scholarly work as a musician is to produce a song. Scholars have died in the past due to the controversy surrounding their work. I had a college professor who translated the Journal of Mouloud Feraoun, a scholar/teacher from Algeria who died during the French-Algerian War. His motives were not only academic reasons, but because he believes that English speaking people should read about this man.

DumpJack · **Posted:** Thu Jul 09, 2009 1:59 pm

Prince of Darkness Wrote:

While i'll buy this to a certain extent, at the end of the day you're drawing conclusions on your observations with which people either agree or disagree, but you're not putting your soul on the line. Isn't science ultimately quantifiable? Music isn't. You're playing high stakes poker with the emotional equivalent of monopoly money in my book. So you're not really creating something from nothing, you're just piecing together observable phenomena in a way that maybe no one else has done yet, but given time someone else would have. Just because Newton observed gravity doesn't mean it wasn't there and someone wouldn't have noticed it in time.

You don't think a scientist puts his soul on the line when he's investigating and experimenting? This is a life's work, it's personal and highly emotional. The stereotypical cold and emotionless scientist doesn't exist. Attending a single scientific conference in any field will settle that idea very quickly, I assure you. The natural world exists independently of us to be sure, but it's the thought and minds of a lot of creative individuals that help make the breakthroughs. And I'm not lumping myself in here either, I've never made a "breakthrough" but I've made enough of an impact in my own field where people solicit my opinion. I try and design unique experiments that will hopefully advance knowledge. I submit those contributions and am judged accordingly. Piecing together observable phenomenon in a unique fashion is creativity. Just like if you sit down and craft a piece of music. It's not going to be completely original but it's still a creative process with plenty of excitement and affect.

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