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Emotional investment doesn't really mean anything other than emotional investment. Even as a creative, and even grading on the Message Board Exaggeration curve, making the suggestion that creating music requires more emotional investment, and therefore more noble than practicing and publishing for science, is biased and arrogant.



the notion that in order to have worth you have to be making a creative contribution to the world is pretty ridiculous. that is one way, but its certainly not the only way.

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Emotional investment doesn't really mean anything other than emotional investment. Even as a creative, and even grading on the Message Board Exaggeration curve, making the suggestion that creating music requires more emotional investment, and therefore more noble than practicing and publishing for science, is biased and arrogant.



the notion that in order to have worth you have to be making a creative contribution to the world is pretty ridiculous. that is one way, but its certainly not the only way.


So, you're saying that The Beatles AREN'T more important than FDR?

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You don't think a scientist puts his soul on the line when he's investigating and experimenting? This is a life's work, it's personal and highly emotional. The stereotypical cold and emotionless scientist doesn't exist. Attending a single scientific conference in any field will settle that idea very quickly, I assure you. The natural world exists independently of us to be sure, but it's the thought and minds of a lot of creative individuals that help make the breakthroughs. And I'm not lumping myself in here either, I've never made a "breakthrough" but I've made enough of an impact in my own field where people solicit my opinion. I try and design unique experiments that will hopefully advance knowledge. I submit those contributions and am judged accordingly. Piecing together observable phenomenon in a unique fashion is creativity. Just like if you sit down and craft a piece of music. It's not going to be completely original but it's still a creative process with plenty of excitement and affect.


This is the most compelling thing i've ever seen you say, and was written admirably. Not that my opinion matters to you, but still, there it is.

I still take offense that it's o.k. for you to pass judgement on my life's work, but that it isn't o.k. for me to do the same with yours.

If you were in austin, i'd still cook a meal with you and throw back some drinks, but i might sock you in the adam's apple while you were draining a bloody mary, mostly for the visual.

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You don't think a scientist puts his soul on the line when he's investigating and experimenting? This is a life's work, it's personal and highly emotional. The stereotypical cold and emotionless scientist doesn't exist. Attending a single scientific conference in any field will settle that idea very quickly, I assure you. The natural world exists independently of us to be sure, but it's the thought and minds of a lot of creative individuals that help make the breakthroughs. And I'm not lumping myself in here either, I've never made a "breakthrough" but I've made enough of an impact in my own field where people solicit my opinion. I try and design unique experiments that will hopefully advance knowledge. I submit those contributions and am judged accordingly. Piecing together observable phenomenon in a unique fashion is creativity. Just like if you sit down and craft a piece of music. It's not going to be completely original but it's still a creative process with plenty of excitement and affect.


This is the most compelling thing i've ever seen you say, and was written admirably. Not that my opinion matters to you, but still, there it is.

I still take offense that it's o.k. for you to pass judgement on my life's work, but that it isn't o.k. for me to do the same with yours.

If you were in austin, i'd still cook a meal with you and throw back some drinks, but i might sock you in the adam's apple while you were draining a bloody mary, mostly for the visual.


Great!
Now you two can sign the Camp David Accord and Monty gets to win the Nobel Peace Prize.


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Breathe and be.

With allergy meds, though.


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Monty gets to win the Nobel Peace Prize.



imagining a transcript of that acceptance speech makes blood come out of my nose.

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you guys are missing the best Canadian band ever...

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good call!

i'll add the incredibly influential...

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With allergy meds, though.


good god, seriously...i've been stuffed up and swimmy headed all week

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Jesus I want a Slaughter/Triumph comeback.

They can operate the coaster at my local amusement park and attract the hot wimmins.


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Anvil is canuckian, too

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This is the most compelling thing i've ever seen you say, and was written admirably. Not that my opinion matters to you, but still, there it is.

I still take offense that it's o.k. for you to pass judgement on my life's work, but that it isn't o.k. for me to do the same with yours.

If you were in austin, i'd still cook a meal with you and throw back some drinks, but i might sock you in the adam's apple while you were draining a bloody mary, mostly for the visual.


Fair enough, I may have been overstating the case a bit ;).

I've no trouble with you or anyone passing judgement on me. We can even do it in person someday. We'll break bread and have many drinks and discuss the finer points of our various feuds. Just imagine where the evening would end up? Most likely in bruises and multiple contusions, and being an Injun, I'd have to shank you at some point. It's our way.

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DOT VS. FEATHER!!!

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Smart money takes the Injun/shank over the Dot/soup spoon midway in the first round.


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yeah, but PoD could turn it around depending on how soon he whips out the bloody mary throat pummel

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DOT VS. FEATHER!!!


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I understand that you, of all people, know this crisis and, in your own way, are working to address it. You, the madras-pantsed julip-sipping Southern cracker and me, the oldman hippie California fruit cake are brothers in the struggle to save our country.

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menopause


baby factory shut down, eh?

not at all, but i do have a 50 foot neon sign on my roof that reads, welcome menopause.


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I have my Grad degree in the Social Sciences and never became a true academic

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I have my Grad degree in the Social Sciences and never became a true academic

No shit.


I can always count on you to take me down another notch, thanks.


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an R.E.M.-type brusqueness



thats the first thing i thought of, after revisiting the hip tenner (i assume you put together). probably way over-simplifying here, but they struck me as canada's answer to stipe and co. on first impression...
That would be 54-40

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As someone who is a fan of both PoD and DJ, I am glad to see their conflict appears to have been resolved in a civil manner.

It cracks me up that Monty is the Jimmy Carter of Obner.

Especially since LooGAR has ALWAYS been our Hamilton Jordan.

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Senator LOMIT LooGAR Wrote:
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DOT VS. FEATHER!!!


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a.k.a. 7-11 versus Seven COME Eleven

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wow! this thread....daaaaaaaaaaaaamn!

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