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You people and your unreasonable expectations.


Dude, you like who? Louisiana Tech and Maryland? Both are fail programs.


I know the SEC is a different animal entirely, but Richt is about as good as you're gonna get. With your last national championship in 1980, expectations just don't logically point to winning it all until after they win one.

Besides, brah, Navy has won 6 straight Commander in Chief's Trophies and gone to 5 straight bowls. Throw in 7 straight wins against Air Force and Army plus they beat Notre Dame a couple years ago for the first time in 40-odd years. That's awesome.

Terps are ass this year, but overall have been better under Friedgen than anytime during my lifetime (Joe Krivak!).

Tech only bumped up to Division I in 1989, but I like the direction Derek Dooley is taking them.

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I couldn't disagree with this more. Georgia's talent pool and nexus to other talent pools is as good as you can get save Tx, Ca, Fl, La. UGA's alumni base is also as good as it can get. It can have whatever facilities it needs. It's in the SEC. It's not hard to recruit to one of the best college campuses in Athens either. And Ga Tech is not much of rival for in-state talent. Traditionally, UGA has been a preeminent program. The only thing holding it back is a string of arguably underachieving coaches.

Moreover, the difference between Solich and Richt is light years. Richt has had plenty of time whereas Solich barely got a cup of coffee before he was shown the door. Also, Nebraska grossly overestimated it's place in a post-osborne, post-prop 48 football world.




Solich had six years. It was enough time for him to have at least three solid seasons with his own recruits and prove how good he was without Osborne era players. Most people here would have been fine with him being canned after the 7-7 record in 2002, but thought it was pretty ridiculous to can him the following year after he cleaned house and went 9-3.
Nebraska didn't really overestimate their place in the College Football World after Osborne. They've won a conference title, played in two BCS bowls and won three divisional titles. Their stadium and facilities rival that of Texas and all the SEC Powers. Even with the debacle that was the Callahan years, Nebraska has had the best overall record this year for a Big 12 North team.
The more stringent academic rules of the Big 12 certainly leveled the playing field against Nebraska, but recruiting wise we still take plenty of players from Texas, California, Florida and the rest of the Southern states thanks to Pelini's ties to LSU.
I think a lot of Husker fans expected Nebraska to continue to completely dominate the sport after that 60-3 run from 1993-1997, but that was completely unreasonable. Now most folks expect a return to 9 win seasons, Big 12 North titles and the occasional BCS bid.


Damn, I didn't realize he was there for 6 years. Still, nobody follows a legend successfully. Look at Les -he's won a NC and the SEC, and still hasn't completely won over the fanbase. Richt took over from a complete doofus.

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You people and your unreasonable expectations.


Dude, you like who? Louisiana Tech and Maryland? Both are fail programs.


I know the SEC is a different animal entirely, but Richt is about as good as you're gonna get. With your last national championship in 1980, expectations just don't logically point to winning it all until after they win one.

Besides, brah, Navy has won 6 straight Commander in Chief's Trophies and gone to 5 straight bowls. Throw in 7 straight wins against Air Force and Army plus they beat Notre Dame a couple years ago for the first time in 40-odd years. That's awesome.

Terps are ass this year, but overall have been better under Friedgen than anytime during my lifetime (Joe Krivak!).

Tech only bumped up to Division I in 1989, but I like the direction Derek Dooley is taking them.


When you pump as much money as UGA does into the program, your expectations are justifiably greater. Just like if I spent 1k on a hooker compared to a $25 blowjob on bourbon street.

And I've been a big Derek Dooley fan since his time as a special teams coach for LSU. He'd look good in purple and gold in a couple of years.

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Elvis Fu Wrote:
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You people and your unreasonable expectations.


Dude, you like who? Louisiana Tech and Maryland? Both are fail programs.


I know the SEC is a different animal entirely, but Richt is about as good as you're gonna get. With your last national championship in 1980, expectations just don't logically point to winning it all until after they win one.

Besides, brah, Navy has won 6 straight Commander in Chief's Trophies and gone to 5 straight bowls. Throw in 7 straight wins against Air Force and Army plus they beat Notre Dame a couple years ago for the first time in 40-odd years. That's awesome.

Terps are ass this year, but overall have been better under Friedgen than anytime during my lifetime (Joe Krivak!).

Tech only bumped up to Division I in 1989, but I like the direction Derek Dooley is taking them.



You're used to having mediocre expectations for your teams. Whatever floats your boat.

UGA *should* be thought of as one of the upper echelon programs in the country. A perennial Top 10 team and one that should be considered for the national championship. Hiring former players who are fellow Christians with 5 kids and a obviously ineffective D-Coordinator and keeping him around for 7 seasons isn't what nationally respected teams do.
I know we were ranked #1 in pre-season in '08, but injuries and poor coaching kept us from reaching our potential. In '07, when we were really on top of our game (post Vandy at least), we could've beaten anyone in the country at that time.


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Damn, I didn't realize he was there for 6 years. Still, nobody follows a legend successfully. Look at Les -he's won a NC and the SEC, and still hasn't completely won over the fanbase. Richt took over from a complete doofus.



Was Jim Donnan really that bad? He only had one losing season with Ray Goff's players and a .677 winning percentage.
UGA during the Donnan years certainly wasn't as bad as LSU during the tenure of Gerry Dinardo


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Damn, I didn't realize he was there for 6 years. Still, nobody follows a legend successfully. Look at Les -he's won a NC and the SEC, and still hasn't completely won over the fanbase. Richt took over from a complete doofus.



Was Jim Donnan really that bad? He only had one losing season with Ray Goff's players and a .677 winning percentage.
UGA during the Donnan years certainly wasn't as bad as LSU during the tenure of Gerry Dinardo


Donnan truly lost control of the team, and lost support of the boosters.

Think about that 99 squad - 3 NFL D-linemen played there and they were mediocre.

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UGA is one of the upper echelon programs in the country.

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UGA is one of the upper echelon programs in the country.


Thank you, but until our coaching staff is reflective of that, we'll be thought of as another Top 5 SEC team in the national collective consciousness.


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UGA is one of the upper echelon programs in the country.


So why is it unreasonable to think we should be competing for at least a conference title or national championship year in and year out?

For the love of god, this is college football. I mean, the day I stop thinking we should win the SEC is the day I fall down dead. Hell South Carolina hasn't sniffed an SEC title much less a National Championship. EVER. Yet they sell out every home game and they think they have a shot.

Unreasonable? Isn't that what being a fan is in the first place.

Ohio State went almost 40 years between National Championships. Were they unreasonable to think they were going to win it all every year despite 4 decades of futility? See also LSU who went what, almost 50 years between championships?

You're better than this Fu.


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UGA is one of the upper echelon programs in the country.

Confirm this, but success can be it's own trap if you don't continue the progress to it's logical outcome. That is why you see so much grousing - we are spoiled worse than Richt's coddled, over penalized players, and more secure in our conviction that we should be a national championship contender year and year out than his sorry, god - awful coordinators are in the fact that he won't move against them no matter how bad their respective sides of the ball perform.

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Damn, I didn't realize he was there for 6 years. Still, nobody follows a legend successfully. Look at Les -he's won a NC and the SEC, and still hasn't completely won over the fanbase. Richt took over from a complete doofus.



Was Jim Donnan really that bad? He only had one losing season with Ray Goff's players and a .677 winning percentage.
UGA during the Donnan years certainly wasn't as bad as LSU during the tenure of Gerry Dinardo


Donnan truly lost control of the team, and lost support of the boosters.

Think about that 99 squad - 3 NFL D-linemen played there and they were mediocre.


I'm pretty sure every player on the 2000 Defensive team either was drafted or signed on to play in the NFL. Every single one. We went 8-4.

That was also the year Donnan proclaimed 'I've waited my entire coaching career to coach a team this talented". That's what you get when you put all your eggs in the Quincy Carter basket. Not to mention going full bore recruiting Jasper Sanks over Jamal Lewis (who WANTED to come to UGA)

He was also pretty stand offish with the media and never really endeared himself to the fanbase. It's easier to call for a guys head when you don't really like him all that much.

The most basic reason he was fired was because of his record against our Big 4. 6-14 against Florida, Tennessee, Auburn, and Georgia Tech. Including the most cardinal of sins; losing 3 in a row to Tech.

He won games but his memorable moments were few and far between. Best thing he may have ever done was redshirt David Greene.


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Damn, I didn't realize he was there for 6 years. Still, nobody follows a legend successfully. Look at Les -he's won a NC and the SEC, and still hasn't completely won over the fanbase. Richt took over from a complete doofus.



Was Jim Donnan really that bad? He only had one losing season with Ray Goff's players and a .677 winning percentage.
UGA during the Donnan years certainly wasn't as bad as LSU during the tenure of Gerry Dinardo


Donnan truly lost control of the team, and lost support of the boosters.

Think about that 99 squad - 3 NFL D-linemen played there and they were mediocre.


I'm pretty sure every player on the 2000 Defensive team either was drafted or signed on to play in the NFL. Every single one. We went 8-4.

That was also the year Donnan proclaimed 'I've waited my entire coaching career to coach a team this talented". That's what you get when you put all your eggs in the Quincy Carter basket. Not to mention going full bore recruiting Jasper Sanks over Jamal Lewis (who WANTED to come to UGA)

He was also pretty stand offish with the media and never really endeared himself to the fanbase. It's easier to call for a guys head when you don't really like him all that much.

The most basic reason he was fired was because of his record against our Big 4. 6-14 against Florida, Tennessee, Auburn, and Georgia Tech. Including the most cardinal of sins; losing 3 in a row to Tech.

He won games but his memorable moments were few and far between. Best thing he may have ever done was redshirt David Greene.


There should have been an "accidental death" for that fact alone. Georgia Tech? Well, they have won a National Championship (maybe not outright) in the last 20 years, and since their inception have only won one less national championship than UGA, so maybe I'm not giving them enough credit :wink:


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losing 3 in a row to Tech.


:shock:

Holy fuck I had blocked this out.




I'm getting mad all over again.

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UGA is one of the upper echelon programs in the country.


So why is it unreasonable to think we should be competing for at least a conference title or national championship year in and year out?

For the love of god, this is college football. I mean, the day I stop thinking we should win the SEC is the day I fall down dead. Hell South Carolina hasn't sniffed an SEC title much less a National Championship. EVER. Yet they sell out every home game and they think they have a shot.

Unreasonable? Isn't that what being a fan is in the first place.

Ohio State went almost 40 years between National Championships. Were they unreasonable to think they were going to win it all every year despite 4 decades of futility? See also LSU who went what, almost 50 years between championships?

You're better than this Fu.


Conference championship? Absolutely. National championship? I don't think so. The only teams right now I see that could reasonably expect to be in that BCS game going into the season are Florida, Texas, USC, LSU, Oklahoma & Ohio State, because they've been the pool for the past 6-7 years. Alabama, too.

My brother went to SC. They sell out, but they don't expect to win the SEC, much less the BCS.

And you're plenty intelligent enough to discern between "want to" and "reasonably expect to". I'd love to see Navy or Arkansas or Tech go undefeated and have a shot at the BCS this year and next year. Reasonably though, only Arkansas has a prayer with the BCS system, and they aren't there right now. Improve on last year, move past the Houston Nutt era, groom Seth Oxner into the best center in the SEC and I'll be happy.

Georgia has what, 4-5 Top 10 finishes under Richt? Christ. Enjoy what you've got. Would you rather have the gridiron version of your basketball program?

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Elvis Fu Wrote:
Rick Derris Wrote:
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UGA is one of the upper echelon programs in the country.


So why is it unreasonable to think we should be competing for at least a conference title or national championship year in and year out?

For the love of god, this is college football. I mean, the day I stop thinking we should win the SEC is the day I fall down dead. Hell South Carolina hasn't sniffed an SEC title much less a National Championship. EVER. Yet they sell out every home game and they think they have a shot.

Unreasonable? Isn't that what being a fan is in the first place.

Ohio State went almost 40 years between National Championships. Were they unreasonable to think they were going to win it all every year despite 4 decades of futility? See also LSU who went what, almost 50 years between championships?

You're better than this Fu.


Conference championship? Absolutely. National championship? I don't think so. The only teams right now I see that could reasonably expect to be in that BCS game going into the season are Florida, Texas, USC, LSU, Oklahoma & Ohio State, because they've been the pool for the past 6-7 years. Alabama, too.

My brother went to SC. They sell out, but they don't expect to win the SEC, much less the BCS.

And you're plenty intelligent enough to discern between "want to" and "reasonably expect to". I'd love to see Navy or Arkansas or Tech go undefeated and have a shot at the BCS this year and next year. Reasonably though, only Arkansas has a prayer with the BCS system, and they aren't there right now. Improve on last year, move past the Houston Nutt era, groom Seth Oxner into the best center in the SEC and I'll be happy.

Georgia has what, 4-5 Top 10 finishes under Richt? Christ. Enjoy what you've got. Would you rather have the gridiron version of your basketball program?


I totally enjoy what I've got. Christ, I went to school during the Donnan years for gods sake. I know the frustration of never being able to get over the hump.

I'm just saying that with success comes expectations. UGA played in 3 Sugar Bowls between '02 and '07 and had an outside shot at playing for the title twice. I think it's reasonable to ask that we at least maintain that level of competitiveness. I don't ask that we win every game but my biggest beef is that we've seen things start to slip in several areas and I EXPECT the coaching staff to identify the problems and get them fixed. So far, there has been nothing done and THAT is our fanbase's biggest issue right now.


Also, don't disparage our hoops program. THE MARK FOX ERA BEGINS THIS FALL!


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White-out at the Georgia fan section for this year's USC game.

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Would you rather have Barry Switzer or Joe Paterno?
I think this demonstrates what is wrong with your position. Game has changed since those dudes were cutting their teeth. The facilities alone are outrageous. The difference between college and pros narrows daily. With these kinds of investments, there is no way to temper expectations. With prolike investments come prolike expectations. Especially in the SEC--it really seems that if you ain't growing, you're dying.

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Would you rather have Barry Switzer or Joe Paterno?
I think this demonstrates what is wrong with your position. Game has changed since those dudes were cutting their teeth. The facilities alone are outrageous. The difference between college and pros narrows daily. With these kinds of investments, there is no way to temper expectations. With prolike investments come prolike expectations. Especially in the SEC--it really seems that if you ain't growing, you're dying.


I'm not saying it's not true, I just think that at a certain point it becomes foolish.

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I'm the only UGA fan in this bunch that even has a modicum of rational thought on the subject and I'm still something of a lunatic. I"m generally pretty satisfied with the program and its ups and downs: Its sort of a nice parallel to my own life where just when I think I've got it all figured out, I lose to Vandy and get blown out by an inferior Vols team. Such is the duality.

Also, Alabama may be having something of a resurgence but until they actually win the SEC they are the #4 team in the Conference after Florida, LSU and Georgia for this current era. You can't have their recent coaching history and convince me that you are back in the Elite just yet. Sorry.

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...and for one Saturday every November, I too, become irrational and rabid to the point of know that this year, the Midshipmen are going to grind the dicks of those dirty Papists in the dirt.

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Would you rather have Barry Switzer or Joe Paterno?
I think this demonstrates what is wrong with your position. Game has changed since those dudes were cutting their teeth. The facilities alone are outrageous. The difference between college and pros narrows daily. With these kinds of investments, there is no way to temper expectations. With prolike investments come prolike expectations. Especially in the SEC--it really seems that if you ain't growing, you're dying.


I'm not saying it's not true, I just think that at a certain point it becomes foolish.
Its absolutely foolish.

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this year, the Midshipmen are going to grind the dicks of those dirty Papists in the dirt.


Not if JIMMY! has anything to say about it.

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this year, the Midshipmen are going to grind the dicks of those dirty Papists in the dirt.


Not if JIMMY! has anything to say about it.


I hope Jimmy falls and hurts his leg before going on a date with Elaine.


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this year, the Midshipmen are going to grind the dicks of those dirty Papists in the dirt.


Not if JIMMY! has anything to say about it.


I hope Jimmy falls and hurts his leg before going on a date with Elaine.


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