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Darkstar>That's It For The Other One>Lovelight

Made it through, and today has been a fairly slow day so I'm able to keep fairly focused on the music.

First thoughts: Dark Star flows really well here. I really agree with jsh's statement above about the halfway point in the track. They are incredibly tight, and I wondered aloud whether this is a by-product of a practice/soundcheck jam that they liked and kept, or is this off-the-cuff jamming. If its the latter, damn.

Pigpen is definitely one of the most-missed pieces in later shows. His absence left a gaping hole. Lovelight is so good. Even at 30 minutes, it still rocks and keeps your attention. I've never heard the Woodstock 45-minute version, but I can only imagine how he worked that crowd. Too bad it was marred by technical problems and other factors. Could've been epic.

Overall, the hour and half suite wasn't bad at all. It was actually downright enjoyable. Heck, it didn't even seem like that long.


Agree on this points, most definitely. It's hard to believe it was 90 min in all, as it really didn't seem that long. Probably my favourite version of 'Lovelight' too.

I'm replaying the latter third (np: Caution) as I got busy and didn't give it full attention.

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I'm finally through this. What a show. Funny how a 3 hour set can take 5 to listen to at work. Damn work.

What can you say about Volume 4? Even on the recording you can hear the electricity in their during their introduction, and the elation and exhaustion during Feedback->We Bid You Goodnight. To be honest, I get a little lost during The Other One, though brought back in at the Cryptical Envelopment sections – I guess that's the point of meandering and capitulation – nor does Lovelight or much thereafter match what the Dark Star does. That's what this show is all about for me: the prevalent themes that come out in that Dark Star. Not to discredit the band, but it's one of the few instances of true symbiosis I've heard out of them, and most any band with improvisational leanings, no matter how controlled or free. Interesting the A-B that this set travels versus the cyclical nature of the '68 show from yesterday. Anyway, it's retardedly good, and I will have to listen again in a much less horrible atmosphere with a jay on my lip sometime very soon. My last listen to (portions of) this was on a Maxell XLII in my bedroom in my parents house probably 10+ years ago, but the Dark Star themes shine through still.


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Something happens around 17 or 18 minutes of this Dark Star, and does not let up. Is this actually improvised, or is it really scripted? So rare that spontaneous music could be so locked in. This set is some of the Dead's most thoughtful and restrained playing. There's room for everybody, and space for everyone to hear each other, in stark contrast to the '68 show we listened to yesterday, where all cylinders are firing over one another.


Yeah, very cool interlude there, really more the 18 - 20 min mark. The contrast between the two can probably be explained by what drugs the members were on that night. '68 may have been speed whereas leaving space for others may well be a symptom of hallucinogens. For all I know, they may have been sober that night, but doesn't seem a likely scenario.


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Something happens around 17 or 18 minutes of this Dark Star, and does not let up. Is this actually improvised, or is it really scripted? So rare that spontaneous music could be so locked in. This set is some of the Dead's most thoughtful and restrained playing. There's room for everybody, and space for everyone to hear each other, in stark contrast to the '68 show we listened to yesterday, where all cylinders are firing over one another.


Yeah, very cool interlude there, really more the 18 - 20 min mark. The contrast between the two can probably be explained by what drugs the members were on that night. '68 may have been speed whereas leaving space for others may well be a symptom of hallucinogens. For all I know, they may have been sober that night, but doesn't seem a likely scenario.


There are times where, as an improvising musician, you just HEAR each other. You are listening as much as you are playing. And that is when the improv works the best; that is when everyone gets that room... where you can hear the instruments playing OFF of one another. Because the musicians are hearing each other.

As a musician, it's like sex, when you're a part of something like that. Pretty incredible.

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Something happens around 17 or 18 minutes of this Dark Star, and does not let up. Is this actually improvised, or is it really scripted? So rare that spontaneous music could be so locked in. This set is some of the Dead's most thoughtful and restrained playing. There's room for everybody, and space for everyone to hear each other, in stark contrast to the '68 show we listened to yesterday, where all cylinders are firing over one another.


Yeah, very cool interlude there, really more the 18 - 20 min mark. The contrast between the two can probably be explained by what drugs the members were on that night. '68 may have been speed whereas leaving space for others may well be a symptom of hallucinogens. For all I know, they may have been sober that night, but doesn't seem a likely scenario.


I'm gonna put this on now and listen closer.

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That's It For The Other One has been my favorite jam from Fillmore East up to this point. I'd be freaking the fuck out if I was at this show during the last 10 minutes of this.


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this was a great show, and one i'll gladly keep around. like others have said, the 90 minute middle section wasn't nearly as tedious as i was expecting...and actually probably contains most of the highlights of this show.

might have to take a break tomorrow. and with GAR picking, might not be a bad time to do so :wink:

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jsh Wrote:
Something happens around 17 or 18 minutes of this Dark Star, and does not let up. Is this actually improvised, or is it really scripted? So rare that spontaneous music could be so locked in. This set is some of the Dead's most thoughtful and restrained playing. There's room for everybody, and space for everyone to hear each other, in stark contrast to the '68 show we listened to yesterday, where all cylinders are firing over one another.


Yeah, very cool interlude there, really more the 18 - 20 min mark. The contrast between the two can probably be explained by what drugs the members were on that night. '68 may have been speed whereas leaving space for others may well be a symptom of hallucinogens. For all I know, they may have been sober that night, but doesn't seem a likely scenario.


There are times where, as an improvising musician, you just HEAR each other. You are listening as much as you are playing. And that is when the improv works the best; that is when everyone gets that room... where you can hear the instruments playing OFF of one another. Because the musicians are hearing each other.

As a musician, it's like sex, when you're a part of something like that. Pretty incredible.


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick%27s_Picks_Volume_6

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Dick's Picks Volume 6 is the sixth live album in the Dick's Picks series of releases by the Grateful Dead. It was recorded on October 14, 1983 at the Hartford Civic Center in Hartford, Connecticut. The album, on three CDs, contains the complete show from that night. It was released in October, 1996.

This show was the first Grateful Dead concert that Trey Anastasio, of Phish, ever attended.

Disc one

1. "Alabama Getaway" (Garcia, Hunter) – 6:06
2. "Greatest Story Ever Told" (Hart, Hunter, Weir) – 4:52
3. "They Love Each Other" (Garcia, Hunter) – 9:10
4. "Mama Tried" (Haggard) – 2:48
5. "Big River" (Cash) – 6:31
6. "Althea" (Garcia, Hunter) – 8:49
7. "C.C. Rider" (traditional) – 8:01
8. "Tennessee Jed" (Garcia, Hunter) – 8:33
9. "Hell in a Bucket" (Barlow, Weir) – 5:53
10. "Keep Your Day Job" (Garcia, Hunter) – 5:57

Disc two

1. "Scarlet Begonias" (Garcia, Hunter) – 14:20
2. "Fire on the Mountain" (Hart, Hunter) – 16:36
3. "Estimated Prophet" (Barlow, Weir) – 13:11
4. "Eyes of the World" (Garcia, Hunter) – 17:53

Disc three

1. "Drums" (Hart, Kreutzmann) – 5:25
2. "Spanish Jam" (Grateful Dead) – 13:05
3. "The Other One" (Kreutzmann, Weir) – 6:09
4. "Stella Blue" (Garcia, Hunter) – 9:10
5. "Sugar Magnolia" (Hunter, Weir) – 9:26
6. "U.S. Blues" (Garcia, Hunter) – 5:40


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that's a helluva disc two. and i've always been a sucker for "stella blue". i'm gonna have to retract my earlier statement and check this one tomorrow....

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Upping now.

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This is actually the only Dick's I ever purchased. I love Alabama Getaway.

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This is actually the only Dick's I ever purchased. I love Alabama Getaway.


Wow.

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Senator GAR QAEDA Wrote:
wikipedia Wrote:
This show was the first Grateful Dead concert that Trey Anastasio, of Phish, ever attended.


Uh, epic? Or fail.
Also 16 days before the first ever Phish concert.
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That Hartford '83 show is terrible from what I remember.

As for today, I only got to listen through Dark Star thanks to some work stuff that limited my music listening; I will say that when they bust into "Casey Jones" it sounds like they just wrote it the day before and are genuinely excited to bust it out for the world. Jason's take on "Dancin'" that this version was better than most because of the lack of DJG was spot on--also a really sweet jam in there, not noodly but focused intense jamming of which the Dead is not really known for. The Workingman's songs are great, nice to hear them in this context. Those songs always remind me of camping in the N. Georgia mtns.[sic].

The Dark Star before Jerry starts singing was incredibly tedious to me but once it got going, I really liked it more than about 99% of DS's. Tremendous playing. Phil is a beast on this whole thing and even Bobby turns in some nice playing.

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Dick's Picks Vol. 6

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After five consecutive albums of 1970s material, Grateful Dead tape archivist Dick Latvala finally picked a performance from the 1980s, presenting an entire performance from the Hartford Civic Center on October 14, 1983. The Dead's publicist has been reported as saying that it was the material on the second of the three discs, a lengthy version of "Scarlet Begonias" that segues into "Fire On The Mountain" and a medley of "Estimated Prophet" and "Eyes Of The World," that earned this show the nod. All well and good, although Dead Heads could cite better performances from this period. Latvala's problem is that, as sound quality improves with technology over time, the quality of the Dead's performances deteriorates in the early 1980s, making the picks more problematic. (No wonder the series has focused on the '70s until now.) Maybe the solution would be to do more editing together of performances from a particular tour or run of shows. In the meantime, this album will see far more plays for its second disc than for its first or third. (Note that this marks the first official release for the Jerry Garcia-Robert Hunter song "Keep Your Day Job," which the band played in the early 1980s but never recorded because its message was not welcomed by Dead Heads.)


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Ok, I"m near a computer today for running analysis...

Alabama Getaway - I actually saw Bob Dylan do the definitive version of this song in the mid 90's. This is pretty ok but one thing I dislike about this era becomes immediately apparent: Brent's singing. It actually irritates me more than Donna Jean if that's possible. Still, the sound and separation is pretty crisp.

The Greatest Story Ever Told - A very take it or leave it Bobby tune for me. I'll leave this version, thanks. The backstage coke must have been particularly potent because the rush to the end is on.

They Love Each Other - This sounds nice. Jerry's vocals are clear, I like the sorta shuffling/reggae-ish jam. This would be swell outside on a summer night.

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i've always been a sucker for pretty much everything on Bobby's album Ace

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Mama Tried - short and (thankfully) sweet. Bobby could fuck up a one car funeral some nights.

Big River - Hits a really nice groove and even Jerry sounds half interested in singing and 90% interested in playing. This is a personal favorite Dead tune for me as I've listened to the version on One From the Vault approx. 10,000 times.

Althea - I'm a fan of this song in general and this version in particular although it is about 2-3 minutes too long. A lot of what the Dead did would have been a lot better if they could have kept more songs in the 5-6 minute range save a few "big" jams. But go ahead, beat it into our heads.

CC RiderGo Bobby go! Perfect vehicle for the Schlock Master. This is rollicking along nicely until Bob's "slide" solo: Holy fucking atrocious.

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i've always been a sucker for pretty much everything on Bobby's album Ace


Yeah, that is most of his best work. Somehow.

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Just put it on, I often forget how much I like 'Alabama Getaway'.

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Alabama Getaway

If I was there, I'd probably be flipping out. Music is good, however on the vox side, I'm going to agree with Yail, and say this is not good. The voice sounds weathered--and not in a good way. Its actually kinda weak.

Greatest Story Ever Told, Mama Tried, Big River

This run is great. Straight-forward state-fair rock, and I'm loving every minute. Everything sounds on point here, its fun, its catchy, and I'm tapping my foot to every beat.

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Just put it on, I often forget how much I like 'Alabama Getaway'.


Although I'm slightly less than enthusiastic about 'They Love Each Other' and 'Mama Tried'. 'Greatest Story' was actually all right with me.

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Tennessee Jed - Nothing special and neither good nor bad. I'm thinking I would have smoked a bowl and tried to get my head up.

Bucket - Reliable Rocker Paint by Numbers

Keep Your Day Job I like the backstory on why they never recorded this one, lol. Anyway, a nice rocker that unfortunately never got the play to become Reliable. Sort of a shame, really.

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Althea

Yail, this is a favorite of mine as well. I'm going to disagree though, on the length being an issue. I think it runs its course quite nicely, and ends when it feels tedious.

C.C. Rider

Pretty standard. Sounds like they picked it because they've done it a million times, and could just float through it.

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