College Football 2009

Promethium · **Posted:** Sun Nov 01, 2009 3:32 am

And now a major dilemma faces BCS voters, do you give Oregon the BCS slot if they win out and everyone above them but the Mid-majors fail.
It's quite the quandary, especially if it comes down to Boise State and Oregon.

Derris, Nebraska shouldn't even be considered mediocre at this point. They should be considered to be a near bowl eligible team from a BCS conference that was only able to win one reputable game so far this year. The loss to Iowa State essentially eliminated any points they had accrued so far this season.

Rick Derris · **Posted:** Sun Nov 01, 2009 3:06 pm

Promethium Wrote:

Derris, Nebraska shouldn't even be considered mediocre at this point. They should be considered to be a near bowl eligible team from a BCS conference that was only able to win one reputable game so far this year. The loss to Iowa State essentially eliminated any points they had accrued so far this season.

Yeah I was just drunk and venting. Just sick and tired of losing to Florida. Not only losing, but not even really making it competitive. That should NEVER happen here and that's what Richt initially brought the program; a sense that we COULD win every game.

There are some fundamental problems going on with UGA right now and unless Richt makes some significant changes in approach and coaches this off season I am going to turn on him.

It's been 2 years since we've had a legit significant win and things are getting worse.

MontyTheMongoose · **Posted:** Sun Nov 01, 2009 4:14 pm

Promethium Wrote:

And now a major dilemma faces BCS voters, do you give Oregon the BCS slot if they win out and everyone above them but the Mid-majors fail.
It's quite the quandary, especially if it comes down to Boise State and Oregon.

& if OU faces off with Alabama-Florida winner, does The Sports Guy invoke the Ewing Theory, with respect Dennis Dixon?

Not that Bill Simmons knows jack about football, pro or college, but, yeah...

Promethium · **Posted:** Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:17 pm

Bowl Projections

http://espn.go.com/college-football/bow ... 009&week=9

FU,
Bruce Feldman has Nebraska projected against Navy in the Texas Bowl.
It can happen.

http://cfn.scout.com/2/557950.html

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootbal ... redictions

harry · **Posted:** Sun Nov 01, 2009 11:23 pm

Promethium Wrote:

Bowl Projections

http://espn.go.com/college-football/bow ... 009&week=9

FU,
Bruce Feldman has Nebraska projected against Navy in the Texas Bowl.
It can happen.

http://cfn.scout.com/2/557950.html

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootbal ... redictions

USC in the Holiday Bowl against Oklahoma State... ha ha ha aha hah... or as they say in San Diego,... ja ja ja ja

FT · **Posted:** Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:34 pm

Promethium Wrote:

And now a major dilemma faces BCS voters, do you give Oregon the BCS slot if they win out and everyone above them but the Mid-majors fail.
It's quite the quandary, especially if it comes down to Boise State and Oregon.

Should be no quandary at all if it comes down to Boise State and Oregon. Boise State beat them solidly head-to-head. Period. End of story. Boise State is not just a one-year BCS-busting wonder. They have been outstanding year after year after year. And keep in mind, they also win when they get to the BCS bowl. They've got more right to be in the Pac-10 than probably 6-8 of the teams already in that conference.

harry · **Posted:** Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:41 pm

FT Wrote:

Promethium Wrote:

And now a major dilemma faces BCS voters, do you give Oregon the BCS slot if they win out and everyone above them but the Mid-majors fail.
It's quite the quandary, especially if it comes down to Boise State and Oregon.

Should be no quandary at all if it comes down to Boise State and Oregon. Boise State beat them solidly head-to-head. Period. End of story. Boise State is not just a one-year BCS-busting wonder. They have been outstanding year after year after year. And keep in mind, they also win when they get to the BCS bowl. They've got more right to be in the Pac-10 than probably 6-8 of the teams already in that conference.

"Right"? By that token BYU has had that "right" for over 20 years? Or four or five years ago Fresno State had claimed that right....

FT · **Posted:** Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:41 pm

Oh, and also...

JIMMY!

FT · **Posted:** Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:44 pm

harry Wrote:

FT Wrote:

Promethium Wrote:

And now a major dilemma faces BCS voters, do you give Oregon the BCS slot if they win out and everyone above them but the Mid-majors fail.
It's quite the quandary, especially if it comes down to Boise State and Oregon.

Should be no quandary at all if it comes down to Boise State and Oregon. Boise State beat them solidly head-to-head. Period. End of story. Boise State is not just a one-year BCS-busting wonder. They have been outstanding year after year after year. And keep in mind, they also win when they get to the BCS bowl. They've got more right to be in the Pac-10 than probably 6-8 of the teams already in that conference.

"Right"? By that token BYU has had that "right" for over 20 years? Or four or five years ago Fresno State had claimed that right....

BYU has been pretty consistent over the years, but Boise State has been absolutely dominant for close to a decade now. I mean, I'm sure Pullman is lovely and all, but Wazzu probably doesn't belong in D-1, much less a major conference.

harry · **Posted:** Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:50 pm

FT Wrote:

harry Wrote:

FT Wrote:

Promethium Wrote:

And now a major dilemma faces BCS voters, do you give Oregon the BCS slot if they win out and everyone above them but the Mid-majors fail.
It's quite the quandary, especially if it comes down to Boise State and Oregon.

Should be no quandary at all if it comes down to Boise State and Oregon. Boise State beat them solidly head-to-head. Period. End of story. Boise State is not just a one-year BCS-busting wonder. They have been outstanding year after year after year. And keep in mind, they also win when they get to the BCS bowl. They've got more right to be in the Pac-10 than probably 6-8 of the teams already in that conference.

"Right"? By that token BYU has had that "right" for over 20 years? Or four or five years ago Fresno State had claimed that right....

BYU has been pretty consistent over the years, but Boise State has been absolutely dominant for close to a decade now. I mean, I'm sure Pullman is lovely and all, but Wazzu probably doesn't belong in D-1, much less a major conference.

Wazzu won Pac-10 championship in 2002.... I mean it if the standard is to throw out a team after a bad season or two, UCLA should be tossed out.

Or let's put Rutgers in the Big Ten and kick Purdue out?

The Dreaded Marco · **Posted:** Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:53 pm

FT Wrote:

harry Wrote:

FT Wrote:

Promethium Wrote:

And now a major dilemma faces BCS voters, do you give Oregon the BCS slot if they win out and everyone above them but the Mid-majors fail.
It's quite the quandary, especially if it comes down to Boise State and Oregon.

Should be no quandary at all if it comes down to Boise State and Oregon. Boise State beat them solidly head-to-head. Period. End of story. Boise State is not just a one-year BCS-busting wonder. They have been outstanding year after year after year. And keep in mind, they also win when they get to the BCS bowl. They've got more right to be in the Pac-10 than probably 6-8 of the teams already in that conference.

"Right"? By that token BYU has had that "right" for over 20 years? Or four or five years ago Fresno State had claimed that right....

BYU has been pretty consistent over the years, but Boise State has been absolutely dominant for close to a decade now. I mean, I'm sure Pullman is lovely and all, but Wazzu probably doesn't belong in D-1, much less a major conference.

Your myopia is showing again, Bob.

Yeah, WSU has been terrible the past couple seasons, but in the past 15 years they've been to 5 bowl games, including 2 Rose Bowls (3-2 in those bowl games)---not great, but not that bad either.

Washington has been just as bad as WSU over the past two seasons--should they be moved to the WAC too?

Senator LooGAR · **Posted:** Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:58 pm

Georgia beat Boise State handily in 2005...my only reflection upon their program. (well, and that bad ass hook and ladder play v. OU)

Rick Derris · **Posted:** Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:03 pm

IMO, an 11-1 Oregon team should be in over an undefeated Boise St. team even though they won head to head.

In the BCS system it's not always who you beat but when you beat them. If Boise played Oregon now the win, to me, would be MUCH more significant versus the season opener (which to voters is forever ago) on Boise's home field.

As it is, Boise's stock will continue to fall with each ridiculous weak sister game they play the rest of the year.

Don't get me wrong, Boise deserves to be where they are and have earned a ton of capital over the years but I refuse to look at their schedule and say it should earn them a chance to play for the National Title over teams who had a tougher road to get there.

harry · **Posted:** Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:03 pm

Oh, and no BCS level team should play on a blue field...

FT · **Posted:** Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:07 pm

harry Wrote:

FT Wrote:

harry Wrote:

FT Wrote:

Promethium Wrote:

And now a major dilemma faces BCS voters, do you give Oregon the BCS slot if they win out and everyone above them but the Mid-majors fail.
It's quite the quandary, especially if it comes down to Boise State and Oregon.

Should be no quandary at all if it comes down to Boise State and Oregon. Boise State beat them solidly head-to-head. Period. End of story. Boise State is not just a one-year BCS-busting wonder. They have been outstanding year after year after year. And keep in mind, they also win when they get to the BCS bowl. They've got more right to be in the Pac-10 than probably 6-8 of the teams already in that conference.

"Right"? By that token BYU has had that "right" for over 20 years? Or four or five years ago Fresno State had claimed that right....

BYU has been pretty consistent over the years, but Boise State has been absolutely dominant for close to a decade now. I mean, I'm sure Pullman is lovely and all, but Wazzu probably doesn't belong in D-1, much less a major conference.

Wazzu won Pac-10 championship in 2002.... I mean it if the standard is to throw out a team after a bad season or two, UCLA should be tossed out.

Or let's put Rutgers in the Big Ten and kick Purdue out?

Conferences should implement relegation.

FT · **Posted:** Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:07 pm

harry Wrote:

Oh, and no BCS level team should play on a blue field...

I have to agree with you on this one.

FT · **Posted:** Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:09 pm

The Dreaded Marco Wrote:

FT Wrote:

harry Wrote:

FT Wrote:

Promethium Wrote:

And now a major dilemma faces BCS voters, do you give Oregon the BCS slot if they win out and everyone above them but the Mid-majors fail.
It's quite the quandary, especially if it comes down to Boise State and Oregon.

Should be no quandary at all if it comes down to Boise State and Oregon. Boise State beat them solidly head-to-head. Period. End of story. Boise State is not just a one-year BCS-busting wonder. They have been outstanding year after year after year. And keep in mind, they also win when they get to the BCS bowl. They've got more right to be in the Pac-10 than probably 6-8 of the teams already in that conference.

"Right"? By that token BYU has had that "right" for over 20 years? Or four or five years ago Fresno State had claimed that right....

BYU has been pretty consistent over the years, but Boise State has been absolutely dominant for close to a decade now. I mean, I'm sure Pullman is lovely and all, but Wazzu probably doesn't belong in D-1, much less a major conference.

Your myopia is showing again, Bob.

Yeah, WSU has been terrible the past couple seasons, but in the past 15 years they've been to 5 bowl games, including 2 Rose Bowls (3-2 in those bowl games)---not great, but not that bad either.

Washington has been just as bad as WSU over the past two seasons--should they be moved to the WAC too?

WAC is a little drastic for UW. Maybe Big 12 North.

Promethium · **Posted:** Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:11 pm

Rick Derris Wrote:

IMO, an 11-1 Oregon team should be in over an undefeated Boise St. team even though they won head to head.

In the BCS system it's not always who you beat but when you beat them. If Boise played Oregon now the win, to me, would be MUCH more significant versus the season opener (which to voters is forever ago) on Boise's home field.

As it is, Boise's stock will continue to fall with each ridiculous weak sister game they play the rest of the year.

Don't get me wrong, Boise deserves to be where they are and have earned a ton of capital over the years but I refuse to look at their schedule and say it should earn them a chance to play for the National Title over teams who had a tougher road to get there.

Boise State lost my support when they struggled against I-AA UC Davis, who beat my alma mater South Dakota by one point. South Dakota is currently 3-5 in their 2nd year of I-AA play.
The 7pt win against Tulsa wasn't too impressive either, when you compare it against that 45-0 beat down the Golden Hurricanes took against Oklahoma.

FT · **Posted:** Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:12 pm

Rick Derris Wrote:

IMO, an 11-1 Oregon team should be in over an undefeated Boise St. team even though they won head to head.

In the BCS system it's not always who you beat but when you beat them. If Boise played Oregon now the win, to me, would be MUCH more significant versus the season opener (which to voters is forever ago) on Boise's home field.

As it is, Boise's stock will continue to fall with each ridiculous weak sister game they play the rest of the year.

Don't get me wrong, Boise deserves to be where they are and have earned a ton of capital over the years but I refuse to look at their schedule and say it should earn them a chance to play for the National Title over teams who had a tougher road to get there.

It just seems to me like every time they've faced a Goliath, they've slain them (excluding LooGAR's example, of course). I mean, it's true that their conference schedule is ridiculously laughable, but they take down the big boys every chance they get. Not sure there's anything else they can do, other than be elevated to a legitimate conference.

discostu · **Posted:** Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:13 pm

Rumor has it that Mark Richt will retire to join the ministry or Tony Dungy's Mentors for Life.

The Dreaded Marco · **Posted:** Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:14 pm

Rick Derris Wrote:

IMO, an 11-1 Oregon team should be in over an undefeated Boise St. team even though they won head to head.

Agree with this, especially considering Oregon's remaining schedule--at Stanford, at Arizona and OSU. If they win out they should leap frog BSU.

Arizona is a fluke play vs. UW from being undefeated in conference, with a close loss at Iowa early in the year not looking that bad right now. AZ could knock off the Yucks.

rogneeb · **Joined:** Mon Oct 25, 2004 1:07 pm **Posts:** 12618

at U of A was where the Ducks first stubbed their toe that year when Dixon went down. they looked really good against OSU.

Promethium · **Posted:** Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:19 pm

FT Wrote:

It just seems to me like every time they've faced a Goliath, they've slain them (excluding LooGAR's example, of course). I mean, it's true that their conference schedule is ridiculously laughable, but they take down the big boys every chance they get. Not sure there's anything else they can do, other than be elevated to a legitimate conference.

They've beaten OU in a BCS game and then Oregon the past two seasons, they got destroyed by Georgia few years back and couldn't take care of TCU in a bowl game last year when they were unbeaten.
Edit: They also lost to Washington in 2007

Under Dan Hawkins who is at Colorado now, they lost to
Arkansas in 2002
Oregon State in 2003
Louisville in 2004

All were the only losses of the season, and their only games against BCS conference teams.

Rick Derris · **Posted:** Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:23 pm

FT Wrote:

Rick Derris Wrote:

IMO, an 11-1 Oregon team should be in over an undefeated Boise St. team even though they won head to head.

In the BCS system it's not always who you beat but when you beat them. If Boise played Oregon now the win, to me, would be MUCH more significant versus the season opener (which to voters is forever ago) on Boise's home field.

As it is, Boise's stock will continue to fall with each ridiculous weak sister game they play the rest of the year.

Don't get me wrong, Boise deserves to be where they are and have earned a ton of capital over the years but I refuse to look at their schedule and say it should earn them a chance to play for the National Title over teams who had a tougher road to get there.

It just seems to me like every time they've faced a Goliath, they've slain them (excluding LooGAR's example, of course). I mean, it's true that their conference schedule is ridiculously laughable, but they take down the big boys every chance they get. Not sure there's anything else they can do, other than be elevated to a legitimate conference.

There isn't anything they can do. Especially this year. Oregon's only loss is to the #5 team in the country on the opening weekend on their home field.

Oregon has since beaten 3 top 25 teams including Cal when they were #6 and USC last weekend who was #4(?).

Boise's opponents outside of Oregon won't even sniff the Top 25 and I just think it's completely unfair to reward Boise and not Oregon based on these facts.

It's completely shitty how Boise is trying everything to put themselves in a position to overcome their conference but it is still hurting them.

Case in point as to why there needs to be a playoff. BS like this.

Elvis Fu · **Posted:** Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:48 pm

Boise beat Oregon, period.

I will give Oregon props not only for playing Boise, but going to them.

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