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 Post subject: Re: Joe Lieberman is an epic douchebag
PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 12:27 pm 
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"this is not healthcare reform..." is bandwagon analysis founded on strict lens control. Nicely positionally affirming, but crackpot.

Addressing pre-exisiting conditions and CAPs to coverage, and mandating coverage for 10s of millions (that still leaves 10s of millions with only emergency rooms as alternatives) are accomplishments that were unthinkable even two years ago. All three will be in final legislation in some form.

American health care's increase in costs projects to be more than US GNP.... used to be within 50 years, but recently numnbers mark a year sooner than that. And we suck on the meme of "democrat fucktards stealing our money"... I actually saw a commercial again on CNN Sunday from the healthcare plutocrat tea bagger wing that said... again... again, jeez.... "keep your government hands off my medicare."

And Joe? He may well believe some of what he says, but the way he has played both sides have nothing to do with ideology and everything to do with his deep love for Joe.

60 vote closure, like California's 2/3 requirement for a budget in legislature but 51% budget requirement in initiative process, is residue of a view of governance predicated on a world that no longer exists, or is poisoned by what's possible now ... much of our governance is broken.

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 Post subject: Re: Joe Lieberman is an epic douchebag
PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 3:09 pm 
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extremely broken.


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 Post subject: Re: Joe Lieberman is an epic douchebag
PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 3:20 pm 
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harry Wrote:
"this is not healthcare reform..." is bandwagon analysis founded on strict lens control. Nicely positionally affirming, but crackpot.

Addressing pre-exisiting conditions and CAPs to coverage, and mandating coverage for 10s of millions (that still leaves 10s of millions with only emergency rooms as alternatives) are accomplishments that were unthinkable even two years ago. All three will be in final legislation in some form.

American health care's increase in costs projects to be more than US GNP.... used to be within 50 years, but recently numnbers mark a year sooner than that. And we suck on the meme of "democrat fucktards stealing our money"... I actually saw a commercial again on CNN Sunday from the healthcare plutocrat tea bagger wing that said... again... again, jeez.... "keep your government hands off my medicare."

And Joe? He may well believe some of what he says, but the way he has played both sides have nothing to do with ideology and everything to do with his deep love for Joe.

60 vote closure, like California's 2/3 requirement for a budget in legislature but 51% budget requirement in initiative process, is residue of a view of governance predicated on a world that no longer exists, or is poisoned by what's possible now ... much of our governance is broken.


Second'd.

& excellent use of teabagger.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 7:57 pm 
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MAX TARDCORE Wrote:
harry Wrote:
"this is not healthcare reform..." is bandwagon analysis founded on strict lens control. Nicely positionally affirming, but crackpot.

Addressing pre-exisiting conditions and CAPs to coverage, and mandating coverage for 10s of millions (that still leaves 10s of millions with only emergency rooms as alternatives) are accomplishments that were unthinkable even two years ago. All three will be in final legislation in some form.

American health care's increase in costs projects to be more than US GNP.... used to be within 50 years, but recently numnbers mark a year sooner than that. And we suck on the meme of "democrat fucktards stealing our money"... I actually saw a commercial again on CNN Sunday from the healthcare plutocrat tea bagger wing that said... again... again, jeez.... "keep your government hands off my medicare."

And Joe? He may well believe some of what he says, but the way he has played both sides have nothing to do with ideology and everything to do with his deep love for Joe.

60 vote closure, like California's 2/3 requirement for a budget in legislature but 51% budget requirement in initiative process, is residue of a view of governance predicated on a world that no longer exists, or is poisoned by what's possible now ... much of our governance is broken.


Second'd.

& excellent use of teabagger.


2 things - #1, if you can't explain it in simple terms, people aren't going to buy it. (See: "Hope," "Change")

and you are dead wrong on the cloture issue -- if it wasn't for this in the last 8 years, think of what all the Republicans would have done when they were in control. Was "The Nuclear Option" of The Bill Frist Era (good band name, btw) wrong? Ok, then so is reconciliation.

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 Post subject: Re: Joe Lieberman is an epic douchebag
PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 11:47 pm 
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The system is always broken when it doesn't work the way you want it to.

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The system is always broken when it doesn't work the way you want it to.


This is one of those things which sounds right because of the turn of phrase. But no, too facile.

There any number of initiatives in CA which I voted for, deeply believe in, and that passed... but in passing committed the state to a level of funding that never, ever should have been put in place by a popular vote with scurilous campaigning. On balance the initiative system has given me my job and any number of state projects I believe in... and I firmly believe the initiative process is broken.

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 Post subject: Re: Joe Lieberman is an epic douchebag
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harry Wrote:
Kingfish Wrote:
The system is always broken when it doesn't work the way you want it to.


This is one of those things which sounds right because of the turn of phrase. But no, too facile.

There any number of initiatives in CA which I voted for, deeply believe in, and that passed... but in passing committed the state to a level of funding that never, ever should have been put in place by a popular vote with scurilous campaigning. On balance the initiative system has given me my job and any number of state projects I believe in... and I firmly believe the initiative process is broken.


I agree with you Harry. The initative process sucks ass.

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