Since searching "baseball hall of fame" obtains no results, alack a new thread.

Feel free to call me PopTodd.

Anyway: one inductee for '10 -- The Hawk. Blyleven four votes (not percent, votes) short. Morris running at about 60%. Harold Baines behind Crime Dog, Mc Gwire, Donnie Baseball.

Didn't Robbie Alomar fall just short?

Yes.

I bet he never knew the ultimate price of hockin a loog, eh?

I surprised myself that I was genuinely excited when I heard the Hawk was going in.

How did Ray Langford and Todd Zeile make it past the screening committee?

Anybody who plays more than ten years in MLB is on the ballot five years after retirement. Takes 5% to stay on. So, buh-bye Big Cat Galarraga.

Alomar and Blyleven should have been going to Cooperstown with Dawson. Shame on anyone who didn't vote for them. The voting results get more ridiculous every year. I also feel Larkin should be there, but not on his first ballot. But the Hall has always had shady/screwy election processes (read Bill James What's Wrong With The Hall of Fame: The Politics of Glory and you'll see what I mean. Great book for even a standard baseball fan).

Yeah, I'm not a baseball enthusiast, so it doesn't bother me if Andre Dawson is the only nominee this year, but I don't understand how a sport that is becoming more irrelevant with every passing year feels that only one person is worthy of entering the Hall of Fame.

hawk!

I don't think any sports HOF should induct new members on a quota system. The National Ski hof is in my area, and each year they seem to drag up exactly 6 new inductees - none of which I've even heard of. Of course, I don't fanatically follow the ski sports, but it seems like a huge stroke circle.

To me, the fact that the baseball HOF could only agree on 1 inductee makes the process more legit, not less. Any HOF by definition is an exclusive club, and there are always going to be controversial inductees, as well as controversial exclusions. Isn't that what really excites us about these things anyway? Jesus, nobody deserves Cooperstown more than Pete Rose, yet he is viewed a pariah in the mlb.

Adam Jones of the O's was twittering all afternoon about the travesty of Blyleven and Alomar not going in. I believe the Orioles may have stepped in, because now it says "taking a break from Twitter for awhile".

Also, Gammons was going nuts over Alomar not getting in on MLB Network, apparently.

It is pretty odd. In the time he played, name another 2B you'd take over him. I can't believe Larkin got lower than Jack Morris. I thought for for sure he'd be up there with Alomar and Blyleven.

Also...David Segui got 1 vote. Who is that lone voter?

Fucking sham of an institution.

















Dale Murphy

Hence why they should make the ballots public. I'm sure if they were, he wouldn't have gotten that vote. Hell, Jim Deshaies got a vote one year.

I've heard that the lone votes are usually a favor to said players but, still...Segui? I'm an Orioles fan, and I can't even make an argument.

No one was better than Alomar.

Larkin is hurt by his career overlapping with the steroid shortstops. He did it all at that position, but his numbers look slight in comparison to A-rod and the like. He's a hall of famer to me.

I'd rather have Jack Morris than Blyleven in the Hall. I know Blyleven stats, but I can't get over that he only finished in the running for the Cy Young only twice in his career. A third place and a seventh place. He really wasn't ever considered one of the best at his position at any given time. But the retroactive sheen of compiling stats because he was good and durable has reinvented his career.

Blyleven in mine and probably no Morris

Should be in:
Tim Raines
Alomar
Larkin
Edgar
Trammell

maybe even Murphy

No Hawk for me.

I dunno about Jack Morris over Bert. Look at these stats Here and below.

Jack Morris

Hall Of Fame Statistics Player rank in (·)

Black Ink Pitching - 20 (91), Average HOFer ≈ 40
Gray Ink Pitching - 193 (48), Average HOFer ≈ 185
Hall of Fame Monitor Pitching - 122 (64), Likely HOFer ≈ 100
Hall of Fame Standards Pitching - 39 (73), Average HOFer ≈ 50

Bert Blyleven

Hall Of Fame Statistics Player rank in (·)

Black Ink Pitching - 16 (134), Average HOFer ≈ 40
Gray Ink Pitching - 240 (25), Average HOFer ≈ 185
Hall of Fame Monitor Pitching - 120 (69), Likely HOFer ≈ 100
Hall of Fame Standards Pitching - 50 (38), Average HOFer ≈ 50

But then thats going by the stats of an avg. HOFer. If judging by the merits of their generation...I think Morris gets more consideration. Plus, he played on some abyssmal Tiger teams.

Also, Bert was in the running a couple more times:
1973 AL (7, 1%)
1984 AL (3, 32%)
1985 AL (3, 6%)
1989 AL (4, 6%)

Also, in '84 he may have been 3rd but had one of the best win/loss at 19-7, and two of those years he was no match for the dominant Saberhagen. Plus, in '84 he was on the horrible Indians squad who finished 75-87, 6th in AL East. Personally, that should've probably been enough to net him the Cy Young in '84. But Willie Hernandez was on the World Champion Tigers.

Aren't those stats based on number of times leading or being in the top ten in different categories? That is judging by the merits of their generation.

yeah, I was editing when you made your comment.

Alomar will get in next year, and was the only surefire guy on the ballot this year. Not even an argument as to his HoF qualifications.

I've yapped too long in the past on the merits of Jack Morris so no need to bring that up again.

Dawson--hell no, but I guess that's all over now but the crying.

More than any other player I can remember, Alomar not getting in underscores the ridiculousness of the MLB HOF voting process. I'm glad Dawson got in but Alomar deserved it way more than he did.

The HOF is a joke...