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PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 5:51 pm 
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Maybe I am horribly out of the loop, but considering the bill already passed the Senate, if they aren't going to be able to pass something revised pretty quickly and pretty surely, the house members would have to be complete fucktards to not go ahead and pass the senate version and maybe make a deal to do a little tweaking through reconciliation later. You wanna look like a bunch of incompetent morons? Just let the biggest thing you've all been preaching about for a year fall off with no results. That fall out would have to be a bigger negative for the members of the house than some minor ideological disagreements with some of its contents.

From both a political practicality measure of not wanting to appear completely incompetent and an ideological point of view of accomplishing much more than nothing I see no way the democrats let this thing totally tank.


The house doesn't want to pass this for several reasons, namely members in the house have to worry about their voters back home. The health care bill was already a hard sell to several house members, so the Senate deal is even more so.

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American Healthcare is the Middle East of domestic reform.

All this election demonstrates is how big of a retard Coakley is. If this was truly a referendum on healthcare, Teddy would have been in trouble too. Teddy would have won by 10 points yesterday.

The only reason anyone believes it was a referendum on healthcare is because Barry was too stupid to know when to cut his loses, and stay away.

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You really think an imperfect bill is a harder sell back home than a complete and total failure to accomplish a damn thing?


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And while we're talking politics...just wanna mention even though I lean further left than pretty much anyone even remotely electable...I'm sick to death of hearing wall the left sided pundits and bloggers going on about the evils of the filibuster. Go ahead, dismantle it and just watch what happens when the Republicans take over and mob rule everything down our throats you fucking morons.


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You really think an imperfect bill is a harder sell back home than a complete and total failure to accomplish a damn thing?


If the bill itself was a hard sell to begin with, then yes. If it makes you look like you approve of the crony deals in the senate bill, then yes.

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We can just agree to disagree here, but I think the general public saw Democrats wanting to pass healthcare reform and know little about the details of which bill means what and will just see a failure to get it done as a failure. And, it will make their sitting president look like a schmuck in the bargain. I think failing to do anything here hurts 'em way more than anything else.


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I think that in large part it is a healthy reaction to one party control, you know the whole balance of powers bit. Normally I would think that this would be for the best, but right now I'm not so sure. It would be nice if this sparked some bi-partisanship, even if it's out of necessity, rather than one party always voting one way and the other the other way. I hope this is what starts to happen.


Separation of powers has nothing to do with political parties.

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Leon Wrote:
I think that in large part it is a healthy reaction to one party control, you know the whole balance of powers bit. Normally I would think that this would be for the best, but right now I'm not so sure. It would be nice if this sparked some bi-partisanship, even if it's out of necessity, rather than one party always voting one way and the other the other way. I hope this is what starts to happen.


Separation of powers has nothing to do with political parties.


I know, but the concept of a balance of power does.

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obama has said not to act until brown is sworn in, so that idea is dead.

if i were the dems i would create the best bill that they think they can write and just call a vote. let the repubs filibuster, and blame them for no progress on a bill that expands coverage AND reigns in costs. fuck the compromise bill. include the public option and early medicare buy in. that's what i would do.


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Leon Wrote:
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I think that in large part it is a healthy reaction to one party control, you know the whole balance of powers bit. Normally I would think that this would be for the best, but right now I'm not so sure. It would be nice if this sparked some bi-partisanship, even if it's out of necessity, rather than one party always voting one way and the other the other way. I hope this is what starts to happen.


Separation of powers has nothing to do with political parties.


I know, but the concept of a balance of power does.


Stick to that if you want, but there isn't one party control now. How much balance do you need when a handful of 'moderate" Senators can logjam everything to butter their own bread? People tend to forget (or ignore) that Congress is a collection of individual interests, not a national body. That's why everyone thinks legislators in all those other districts are douchebags.

Nevermind the fact that this is a state election, not a national opinion referendum, and Massachusetts elected GOP governors from 1991-2007.

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Elvis Fu Wrote:
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Leon Wrote:
I think that in large part it is a healthy reaction to one party control, you know the whole balance of powers bit. Normally I would think that this would be for the best, but right now I'm not so sure. It would be nice if this sparked some bi-partisanship, even if it's out of necessity, rather than one party always voting one way and the other the other way. I hope this is what starts to happen.


Separation of powers has nothing to do with political parties.


I know, but the concept of a balance of power does.


Stick to that if you want, but there isn't one party control now. How much balance do you need when a handful of 'moderate" Senators can logjam everything to butter their own bread? People tend to forget (or ignore) that Congress is a collection of individual interests, not a national body. That's why everyone thinks legislators in all those other districts are douchebags.

Nevermind the fact that this is a state election, not a national opinion referendum, and Massachusetts elected GOP governors from 1991-2007.


I agree with you for the most part. Of course this is a state election, but in a way it also was a national opinion referendum, no matter how you look at it. If this was just a normal state election would the candidates have managed to raise so much money? Brown was raising over a million a day, which clearly wasn't all coming from Massachusetts. What we have is clearly one party control, despite the in fighting, it's still one party. The fact that before this they were going to pass a bill the size of healthcare without a single vote from the other party confirms this. Obviously congress is full of individual interests, which is why sweetheart deals were made in the first place, and which is why the House isn't just going to pass the Senate bill.

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