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Oh, I forgot Sex Pistols.

I love Ramones, Clash, Buzzcocks, Jam, and so on but I hate the Sex Pistols.

I think it's more to do with what they represent than the actual music.


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The Fugees - i'm really happy they broke up and that both of their solo careers kind of disappeared.

Alicia Keys - she's written a few qualitysongs, and has a very average to slightly anoying voice. but i really can't stand her as a person in interviews and talking in public. she's the kind of person that when she wins an award she says things like, "Yes! they are finally rewarding REAL music!" blow me.


Couldn't agree more on both accounts. Wyclef is an S-grade rip-off artist, and Luren Hill made possibly the most overrated piece of shit album I've ever listened to. (A female friend of mine accused me of hating all women artists when I told her that, not true, I just hate the sucky ones)

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Senator Do It Big LooGAR Wrote:
jewels santana Wrote:
The Fugees - i'm really happy they broke up and that both of their solo careers kind of disappeared.

Alicia Keys - she's written a few qualitysongs, and has a very average to slightly anoying voice. but i really can't stand her as a person in interviews and talking in public. she's the kind of person that when she wins an award she says things like, "Yes! they are finally rewarding REAL music!" blow me.


Couldn't agree more on both accounts. Wyclef is an S-grade rip-off artist, and Luren Hill made possibly the most overrated piece of shit album I've ever listened to. (A female friend of mine accused me of hating all women artists when I told her that, not true, I just hate the sucky ones)


i've been acused of that too.


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"Brick By Brick" is a grossly underrated album, each track is excellent. It marked his peak, as his output really started to fade after that.

Yeah, I like Brick By Brick too, but I would consider American Caesar the last really good thing he put out there.

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Oh, I forgot Sex Pistols.

I love Ramones, Clash, Buzzcocks, Jam, and so on but I hate the Sex Pistols.

I think it's more to do with what they represent than the actual music.

Just curious as to what you think they represent as opposed to the other bands you mentioned.

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Pavement-I'll just put on The Fall, thank you.


:wanker: A most tired comparison. (And confounding too, except perhaps for "Two States" and some of that early stuff compiled on Westing ).

Awww. You can go round and round with these sorta things but Malkmus has come right out and said their early albums were Fall ripoffs.

To their credit they did develop their own sound around Wowee Zowee. Still don't like 'em though.

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alongdrive Wrote:
As soon as I read this thread title, I said "Wilco".

First and foremost, I don't care and they bore me.


I'm having trouble getting into Blur. I don't much like the Beatles or David Bowie.

I hate Death From Above 1979, Hair Police, and the Bravery, Bloc Party, and all the current bands that sound like that.


DFA1979 don't sound like the others really, and Bloc Party is superior to tripe like The Bravery.


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Pavement-I'll just put on The Fall, thank you.


:wanker: A most tired comparison. (And confounding too, except perhaps for "Two States" and some of that early stuff compiled on Westing ).

Awww. You can go round and round with these sorta things but Malkmus has come right out and said their early albums were Fall ripoffs.

To their credit they did develop their own sound around Wowee Zowee. Still don't like 'em though.

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Pity their own sound sucked. S+E is a great album, after that they're boring as fuck.


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This thread = Nuclear weapons

You guys sure do hate a lot of bands/artists.:yawn:

I'm not really that big of a hater --- I tend to be able to find the good in almost anything; Our own Busty Rhodes (who takes this theory to the nth degree) kinda turned me on to this.......

I mean, I think hair metal is better than punk, sorry---its the damn truth and you all FUCKING KNOW IT.

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I just don't know you anymore Yail.


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DFA1979 don't sound like the others really, and Bloc Party is superior to tripe like The Bravery.


Oh, I know. I meant it as: I hate DFA. I hate Hair Police.

I hate Bloc Party, Bravery, and all the countless other bands that sound like Bloc Party and them.


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Oh, I forgot Sex Pistols.

I love Ramones, Clash, Buzzcocks, Jam, and so on but I hate the Sex Pistols.

I think it's more to do with what they represent than the actual music.

Just curious as to what you think they represent as opposed to the other bands you mentioned.


Sex Pistols just always seemed to be about the image as opposed to the music. Like acting badass and acting "punk" was more important than writing a good song. The Ramones never seemed to me to be too concerned about their image, whereas the Pistols looked like the kind of guys who spent a long time in front of the mirror perfecting their hair and making sure they were at the right level of drunkenness and offensiveness before they went on stage.

Also, weren't they corporately manufactured? I thought I read somewhere that they were gathered and put together by some bigwig, as opposed to forming out of friendships or auditions.


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alongdrive Wrote:
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Oh, I forgot Sex Pistols.

I love Ramones, Clash, Buzzcocks, Jam, and so on but I hate the Sex Pistols.

I think it's more to do with what they represent than the actual music.

Just curious as to what you think they represent as opposed to the other bands you mentioned.


Sex Pistols just always seemed to be about the image as opposed to the music. Like acting badass and acting "punk" was more important than writing a good song. The Ramones never seemed to me to be too concerned about their image, whereas the Pistols looked like the kind of guys who spent a long time in front of the mirror perfecting their hair and making sure they were at the right level of drunkenness and offensiveness before they went on stage.

Also, weren't they corporately manufactured? I thought I read somewhere that they were gathered and put together by some bigwig, as opposed to forming out of friendships or auditions.


Not unless you consider Malcolm McLaren to be corporate. The way Malcolm tells it, the Pistols were a preconceived notion to repel and disgust. I don't know if that disqualifies them as being an 'inauthentic' punk band though. NMTB is a pretty good album with some good singles on it. I like Swindle better though.

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I just don't know you anymore Yail.


Gahhhh. I'm taking that as a personal assault.

Ok, I hate Nickelback, but I don't think they are critically acclaimed.

But I am totally serious about that other shit.

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Arcade Fire
Beastie Boys (only becasue of The 5 Boroughs)
Dashboard Confessional
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Yail Bloor Wrote:
hair metal is better than punk, sorry---its the damn truth and you all FUCKING KNOW IT.


Nope.


Black Flag
Guided By Voices
Decemberists
BRIGHT EYES
Any and all 21st Century garage/MC5 soundalike revivalists.
THE UNICORNS
A lot of Mogwai's output.


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alongdrive Wrote:
Sex Pistols just always seemed to be about the image as opposed to the music. Like acting badass and acting "punk" was more important than writing a good song. The Ramones never seemed to me to be too concerned about their image, whereas the Pistols looked like the kind of guys who spent a long time in front of the mirror perfecting their hair and making sure they were at the right level of drunkenness and offensiveness before they went on stage.

Also, weren't they corporately manufactured? I thought I read somewhere that they were gathered and put together by some bigwig, as opposed to forming out of friendships or auditions.

If you're gonna hate on the Pistols for "what they represent", then at least do the research and find out what that might be.

Also take another look at the Ramones - all of 'em in matching black leather jackets, torn jeans, sneakers, and long hair (in 1976) - and tell me again how they never considered image to be an important part of their concept.


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John Lydon went on to make politically charged and difficult music with PiL. I think he was about more than the punk asthetic. They were somewhat of an exercise in art meeting Capitalism (via consumerism), just as the Velvet Underground were before them. Malcolm McLaren was dating Vivienne Westwood and wanted to attract people to their new fashion and piss off the establishment all at the same time. I don't think you take the "piss" out of the Pistols based solely on how they were created.

Also, there is a GREAT article about Gang of Four in this month's FILTER (Beck cover). Those guys weren't Marxist like a lot of people think. They had leftist art-school backgrounds and that's it. They just wanted people to think. I thought Go4's views about their contemporaries The Clash and Sex Pistols were really insightful. Seems like Go4 were more inspired by CBGB's and The Velvet Underground than the "blue-collar" punk movement of the late 70s in the UK.

I thought it was a well-known fact that The Ramones just wanted to be a 50s pop-rock group with faster guitars. They were critically acclaimed because they were some of the first to play sped-up music, and they added pop sensibilities to their songwriting.


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I can't stand the Smiths or Morissey. And I concur with the senator about rap music.

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U2, REM, Deerhoof are all spot on.

I'll throw out Tupac, Joanna Newsome and most all of Chick Corea.


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U2, REM, Deerhoof are all spot on.

I'll throw out Tupac, .
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I'm going to go out on a limb and say

The Redwalls.

I know they get a lot of love around here. But really, would anyone give this record a second thought were it not for the age of the band members?

If you examine the music only, does the world really need another Beatles knock-off? Yes, it's a well executed album, especially when you consider that these are high school kids. But in a few years, they won't be. If they have nothing to offer beyond this Beatles revival, I think they'll be stale really fast, and this first album will be not much more than a novelty.


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i think the Pistols are still lauded critically for being the first band to take punk to a more national/mainstream audience *and* for having at least one, if not two legit. "anti hero" types in Sid Vicious and Rotten. as the Libertines today and the britpoppers of the 90s show, put a tabloid-savvy person/dramatics in your band, and the british press WILL LOVE YOU. do something artistic or "pretentious" and you get shit on...and usually get a nice retrospective in Mojo 20 years hence.

there's also an undeniable attitude and energy captured in their performances that i think is brutally honest, if not terribly "good" by modern standards. it's like the Decline of Western Civ. on record, rather than via interviews/performances, whereas most "punk" these days has an attention-to-detail and sense of craftsmanship that would've been laughed right out of sessions for most '76/77 punks.

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I'm going to go out on a limb and say

The Redwalls.

I know they get a lot of love around here. But really, would anyone give this record a second thought were it not for the age of the band members?

If you examine the music only, does the world really need another Beatles knock-off? Yes, it's a well executed album, especially when you consider that these are high school kids. But in a few years, they won't be. If they have nothing to offer beyond this Beatles revival, I think they'll be stale really fast, and this first album will be not much more than a novelty.


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