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For his third album, Nighthawks at the Diner, Tom Waits set up a nightclub in the studio, invited an audience, and cut a 70-minute, two-LP set of new songs. It's an appropriate format for compositions that deal even more graphically and, for the first time, humorously with Waits' late-night world of bars and diners. The love lyrics of his debut album had long since given way to a comic lonely-guy stance glimpsed in "Emotional Weather Report" and "Better Off Without a Wife." But what really matters is the elaborate scene-setting of songs like the six-and-a-half-minute "Spare Parts," the seven-and-a-half-minute "Putnam County," and especially the 11-and-a-half-minute "Nighthawk Postcards" that are essentially poetry recitations with jazz backing. Waits is a colorful tour guide of midnight L.A., raving over a swinging rhythm section of Jim Hughart (bass) and Bill Goodwin (drums), with Pete Christlieb wailing away on tenor sax between paragraphs and Mike Melvoin trading off with Waits on piano runs. You could call it overdone, but then, this kind of material made its impact through an accumulation of miscellaneous detail, and who's to say how much is too much?

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Okay, the challenge officially begins here. Jesus.

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Okay, the challenge officially begins here. Jesus.

Yeah, I'm finding these early albums to be a grim listen. I'll be interested to hear your reaction to the 4 album run of Blue Valentine, Heart Attack & Vine, Swordfishtrombones, and Rain Dogs - personally, I consider that era to be his glorious peak.


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Okay, the challenge officially begins here. Jesus.

Yeah, I'm finding these early albums to be a grim listen. I'll be interested to hear your reaction to the 4 album run of Blue Valentine, Heart Attack & Vine, Swordfishtrombones, and Rain Dogs - personally, I consider that era to be his glorious peak.


I hesitate to blame the day, but sitting in your office on a Monday morning is probably not the best time to hear this double record. Strangely I'm not viscerally reacting to this but it's just a bit of a grind to hear 'crack of dawn' jokes from Tom Waits. Also his voice is remarkably affected relative to the first two records. It's like he decided he has an accent now and it's pure schtick. Maybe that's the point and I just accept it, ignore the questions of validity and move onwards.

The music is feeling okay though.

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For me, if Waits has a stinker in the catalog...Nighthawks may be it.


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For me, if Waits has a stinker in the catalog...Nighthawks may be it.


It's weird because Nighthawks was a tough album to get through first pass, but I found myself grudgingly appreciating it after two straight listens. Despite the heavy themes of some of the songs, it seems to be a loose, casual and more of a 'fun' album and not meant to be taken too seriously. I can't imagine wanting to revisit this a lot, but I don't see deleting either.

Now, after I played this album the second time today Small Change started playing and the opener "Tom Traubert's Blues" made me want to hang myself. It was the Waits I have long loathed.

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Yeah, but once you get past "Tom Traubert's Blues", Small Change is excellent. I think (hope) you're in for a pleasant surprise there.


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Yeah, but once you get past "Tom Traubert's Blues", Small Change is excellent. I think (hope) you're in for a pleasant surprise there.


Well, I only made it about half way through that song before clicking it off, half out of annoyance and half because I'm trying to abide by one album a day, twice through.

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 Post subject: Re: DumpJack Listens to Tom Waits' Discography
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Yeah, I'm sticking to one a day, too, even though I'm one behind.

The Heart of Saturday Night. I definitely like this more than Closing Time, but it's not a huge improvement. The one-two punch of "Diamonds on My Windshield" and "(Looking for) The Heart of Saturday Night" is pretty killer, though. That title track may be my favorite of all of Waits' non-Small Change early stuff.

Good album on the whole. Not looking forward to the next one. I remember having a really hard time making it all the way through Nighthawks on previous attempts.


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Small Change is excellent. I think (hope) you're in for a pleasant surprise there.


Agreed. Small Change is by far my favorite Waits album.


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nighthawks isn't a very good headphones album, especially with the sun out.

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The fourth release in Tom Waits' series of skid row travelogues, Small Change proves to be the archetypal album of his '70s work. A jazz trio comprising tenor sax player Lew Tabackin, bassist Jim Hughart, and drummer Shelly Manne, plus an occasional string section, back Waits and his piano on songs steeped in whiskey and atmosphere in which he alternately sings in his broken-beaned drunk's voice (now deeper and overtly influenced by Louis Armstrong) and recites jazzy poetry. It's as if Waits were determined to combine the Humphrey Bogart and Dooley Wilson characters from Casablanca with a dash of On the Road's Dean Moriarty to illuminate a dark world of bars and all-night diners. Of course, he'd been in that world before, but in songs like "The Piano Has Been Drinking" and "Bad Liver and a Broken Heart," Waits gives it its clearest expression. Small Change isn't his best album. Like most of the albums Waits made in the '70s, it's uneven, probably because he was putting out one a year and didn't have time to come up with enough first-rate material. But it is the most obvious and characteristic of his albums for Asylum Records. If you like it, you also will like the ones before and after; otherwise, you're not Tom Waits' kind of listener.

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I'm sure it will shock no one that vis-a-vis my previous exposure to Waits, Heart of Saturday Night and Closing Time are breaths of fresh air.

I'm curious to hear the other stuff as full albums, as the only other I have heard is the Island Years comp

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I really hate "Tom Traubert's Blues", but then "Step Right Up" kicks in and I'm saved but then we get "Jitterbug Boy" and yeah, this is where I'm struggling again. His voice is just so goddamn affected compared to his first two albums. The songs themselves aren't terrible, lyrically they're great, the music is fantastic but right now he's so obviously putting it on vocally I find myself asking "How is it that he gets a break for this while others don't?". This is like Dale's metal bands with the cookie monster vocal which we've all openly mocked. Same thing with "I Wish I Was in New Orleans (In the Ninth Ward)" and "The Piano Has Been Drinking (Not Me)". The latter song is so fucking hard to like but I actually do. Maybe like is too strong a word, but the song stays with me after it's over.

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Man, I just can't imagine "The Piano Has Been Drinking" being hard to like.

Waits gets a pass because he's obviously a showman, because he's doing it with a wink and a smile, and because the music and the lyrics are so good. Yes, his voice is deliberately affected. He's also singing about stuff that's entirely made up as characters that are totally not him. It works because he brings so much to the table, because in spite of all the influences on him that you can clearly pinpont, he assembled it all into something all his own.


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Man, I just can't imagine "The Piano Has Been Drinking" being hard to like.

Waits gets a pass because he's obviously a showman, because he's doing it with a wink and a smile, and because the music and the lyrics are so good. Yes, his voice is deliberately affected. He's also singing about stuff that's entirely made up as characters that are totally not him. It works because he brings so much to the table, because in spite of all the influences on him that you can clearly pinpont, he assembled it all into something all his own.


I guess the affected voice always has been, and clearly still is, the main problem I have with Tom Waits as an artist. The voice is often so over-the-top, I find it hard to get past. "The Piano Has Been Drinking" is an amazing tune for sure, but then I imagine how great I think it would be if he wasn't quite forcing the vocals in the same way and frankly it really bothers me but then it wouldn't be Tom Waits, he would be someone else altogether. This is at least part of the reasons why people love him. But strangely I find Nighthawks much more palatable than Small Change at times. Listening to the former album, I can see him playing with a wink and a smile, it's a character he evokes which I get and appreciate it but then he pushes the vocal envelope and then I'm struggling not to hit skip.

I can't believe I have willed myself into this project now ;).

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Nighthawks at the Diner. Well, this is actually much better than I remembered, and I would now say that Waits got steadily better over the course of his first three albums. This pretty much has him fleshing out the idea behind "(Looking for) The Heart of Saturday Night" into a full album. It's pretty schmaltzy, but the humor and overall songcraft saves it. The fact that he recorded it almost sitcom-style kind of makes sense to me now, even if the audience reactions can be a little grating at times. This even worked out pretty well as headphone listening in the middle of the day.


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I can't believe I have willed myself into this project now ;).


Good on you for trying, but the simple truth is, if you don't like it, you don't like it. It's like forcing yourself to finish a book that halfway through you decide, "wow, this is crap." I'm not saying Tom Waits is crap, but I applaud you for giving it the good college try. :)


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I can't believe I have willed myself into this project now ;).


Good on you for trying, but the simple truth is, if you don't like it, you don't like it. It's like forcing yourself to finish a book that halfway through you decide, "wow, this is crap." I'm not saying Tom Waits is crap, but I applaud you for giving it the good college try. :)


I have honestly been enjoying, I would say, the majority of what I have heard so far, there's just moments that are cringeworthy that didn't like and may not revisit it, but I wouldn't say it's crap. Like Small Change as a whole I haven't really enjoyed that much after 3 times through it, but I get why some would and wouldn't just say it's garbage by any means. It's like sitting through a meal where it mainly works but some element sneaks in, let's call it basil, and you just can't shake the taste and leaves you ultimately feeling less than satisfied. You didn't hate it, but goddamnit why all the fucking basil?

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I'm going to get back to this soon. I listened to The Heart of Saturday Night twice on Friday but I was working on something that made it hard to focus and both times it ended without my feeling much of a reaction to the album other than I didn't like it as much as I'd remembered.

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It's like sitting through a meal where it mainly works but some element sneaks in, let's call it basil, and you just can't shake the taste and leaves you ultimately feeling less than satisfied. You didn't hate it, but goddamnit why all the fucking basil?


I can relate to that feeling with Waits. I get it more in the Island Years where something instrumentally just grates on me.

I'm a sucker for piano ballads. His voice doesn't bother me on Small Change like it does occassionally on his later work. I'm not sure whether its because I find more that I like in general on Small Change or whether I think it just fits the songs better. I guess I'll figure that out when I catch up.

I was thinking it might be cool to do a project like this on a sideman/session guy's work eg: Jesse Ed Davis or Duane Allman or production work of John Simon or someone else. I usually move randomly through my catalog and never take the time to explore the evolution of someone's career. I guess that's what I like about these projects.


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Tom Waits gives one side of his fifth album, Foreign Affairs, to his more structured, bluesy ballads and the other to his jazz raps. On side one, you get his duet with Bette Midler on the singles-bar dialogue "I Never Talk to Strangers" and his take on his Beat predecessors Jack Kerouac and Neal Cassidy on "Jack & Neal." On side two, you find the extended observations of "Potter's Field" and "Burma-shave." Waits' voice is becoming ever more gravelly, but his basic musical approach remaines the same, and by this point he'd attracted a steady cult audience that enjoyed his verbal flights and boozy philosopher persona, even as critics began to complain that he was repeating himself. By the way, that's Waits' then-girlfriend, the then-unknown Rickie Lee Jones, on the cover with him.

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This is a considerably more subdued album. I wasn't expect Tom Waits and Bette Midler flirting with each other.

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i love how this thread is filling the gaps in my tom waits mp3s.

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I'm not sure I've ever heard Foreign Affairs, save one or two songs. It's one no one ever talks about.


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