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For my money, Alice is far and away the best of these.


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For my money, Alice is far and away the best of these.


I've never heard Black Rider but I like Alice much more than Blood Money.


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I'd be curious to know if people actually listen to Black Rider for anything approaching, what we as humans have labelled, 'pleasure'. And if not for that pursuit, then what is the motivation? Is it an art thing?

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I like it*. I'm going to listen to it today if I can get to it.

*Meaning that I do actually enjoy it.


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I like it*. I'm going to listen to it today if I can get to it.

*Meaning that I do actually enjoy it.


Interestingly, while I've willed myself to listen to all of these albums, I'm not so rigid that I won't shut it off if I actually hit the overload territory. Like on a likert scale of pain affect, this record probably averaged in the 5/10 region overall (maybe a few 7 moments here and there), meaning that I find it unpleasant but I'm not ripping the earphones. I think it's because while I find Black Rider affectively bothersome because of the vocals and music, I also found it kind of boring overall. In that respect, it's like the dentist's office for me, where after 30 min or so I'm thinking "just fucking finish already". It didn't really sustain the epic moments of unpleasantness and grab me viscerally, like say Trout Mask Replica (which I've come to appreciate in its own way) did.

I'm starting to think many Waits albums are like when you leap into a freshwater lake in early June. If you can make it past the first shock wave, or first couple of songs as it were, and fight the strong flight reaction, it's often not so bad.

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For my money, Alice is far and away the best of these.


I've never heard Black Rider but I like Alice much more than Blood Money.


I've got Alice on right now, specifically 'Kommienezuspadt' and if I didn't know better I'd swear somebody fucking mic'd him during an epileptic fit.

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The Black Rider. I really do like this record on the whole, but I have to admit that it only has maybe one great song on it - "Lucky Day". I like all the weird-o instrumentals, and in general, I like Tom Waits when he gets a little weird. This is pretty much all of his weirdest, wildest tracks in one place. Well, those plus a lot of really slow ballads and such. And then there's the brilliant little nugget that is "That's the Way". Not a top 5 Waits record, but a special one.


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On Real Gone, Tom Waits walks a fraying tightrope. By utterly eliminating one of the cornerstone elements of his sound -- keyboards -- he has also removed his safety net. With songwriting and production partner Kathleen Brennan, he strips away almost everything conventional from these songs, taking them down to the essences of skeletal rhythms, blasted and guttural blues, razor-cut rural folk music, and the rusty-edge poetry and craft of songwriting itself. His cast includes guitarists Marc Ribot and Harry Cody, bassist/guitarist Larry Taylor, bassist Les Claypool, and percussionists Brain and Casey Waits (Tom's son), the latter of whom also doubles on turntables. This does present problems, such as on the confrontational opener, "Top of the Hill." Waits uses his growling, grunting vocal atop Ribot's monotonously funky single-line riff and Casey's turntables to become a human beatbox offering ridiculously nonsensical lyrics. It's a throwaway, and the album would have been better had it been left off entirely. But it's also a canard, a sleight-of-hand strategy he's employed before. The jewels shine from the mud immediately after. The mutated swamp tango of "Hoist That Rag" has stuttered clangs and quakes for drums, decorated by distorted Latin power chords and riffs from Ribot, along with thundering deep bass from Claypool. On the ten-plus minute "Sins of My Father," Cody's spooky banjo walks with Taylor's low-strung bass and Waits' shimmering reverbed guitar as he ominously croons, revealing a rigged game of "star-spangled glitter" where "justice wears suspenders and a powdered wig." It's part revelation, part East of Eden, and part backroom political culture framed by the eve of the apocalypse. It's hunted, hypnotic, and spooky.

In stripping away convention, Waits occasionally lets his songs go to extremes with absurd simplicity, such as on "Don't Go into That Barn," a musical cousin to his spoken "What's He Building?" from Mule Variations. But there's also the downright riotous squall of "Shake It," which sounds like an insane carny barker jamming with R.L. Burnside, or the riotous raging blues of "Baby Gonna Leave Me." There are "straight" narratives such as "How's It Gonna End," with its slow and brooding beat storyline, and the moving murder ballad "Dead and Lovely," with its drooping, shambolic elegance. There's the spoken word "Circus," with its wispy spindly frame that features Waits on chamberlain. And "Metropolitan Glide" feels like a hell-bent duet between James Brown and Captain Beefheart's Magic Band, followed by the fractured, busted-love, ranting-at-God pain that rips through "Make It Rain." The tender "Green Grass" is among Waits' finest broken love songs; it's movingly rendered by a character who could have resided in one of William Kennedy's novels. The set closes with "Day After Tomorrow," featured on MoveOn.org's Future Soundtrack for America. It is one of the most insightful and understated antiwar songs to have been written in decades. It contains not a hint of banality or sentiment in its folksy articulation. Real Gone is another provocative moment for Waits, one that has problems, but then, all his records do. His excesses, however, do nothing to cloud the stellar achievements of his risk-taking vision and often brilliant execution.

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Blood Money was incredibly painful. Actually Drinky nailed it when he implied it would be arduous to play all three of those albums in a single day. I got through two and finished off the third this morning plus Real Gone. I really, really didn't like them at all. Mule Variations and Bone Machine aside, everything I've heard since Swordfishtrombones is practically unlistenable for me with a few exceptions. Real Gone, save for a few tracks ('How's It Gonna End, Dead and Lovely, and 'Circus', I'm actually a sucker for his spoken word tracks) is tedious, too goddamn long, 72 min, most songs clocking 4-5 min long. For what he's doing, it's just too much. Maybe I've hit satiation and I'm not hearing anything but noise now, I'll acknowledge that possibility.

I guess Real Gone is technically his last proper studio effort too. Although apparently Orphans: Brawlers, Bawlers & Bastards contains some new tracks. I'm curious about the Brawlers disc which is apparently the " the most rock and blues-oriented of the three".

Anyway, on Monday I'll start with the other soundtrack and live albums.

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I can almost guarantee that you'll find Orphans to be similarly exhausting, especially since the first disc is probably the one you'll like most. There is a fair amount of spoken word stuff on the third disc, though, IIRC.

And I think you'll like the One from the Heart soundtrack.


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Mule Variations. Great album. A favorite on par with Swordfishtrombones, Rain Dogs, and Bone Machine. "What's He Building?" is indeed awesome, and so are several others; "Get Behind the Mule", "Big in Japan", "Eyeball Kid", "Filipino Box Spring Hog", "Buzz Fledderjohn", and "Lowside of the Road" are probably my favorites. Again, a little long, but it's so thoroughly good that it really doesn't matter.


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One From the Heart is the score to the most misunderstood of Francis Ford Coppola's films. Far ahead of its time in terms of technology, use of color, montage, and set design, its soundtrack is the only thing that grounds it to earth. Coppola's movie is a metaphorical retelling of the exploits of Zeus and Hera set in Las Vegas. Coppola claims to have been taken with the male-female narrative implications of the track "I Don't Talk to Strangers," off Tom Waits' Foreign Affairs album. That cut was a duet with Bette Midler. Midler wasn't available for One From the Heart, however, so Waits chose Crystal Gayle as his vocal foil. The result is one of the most beautifully wrought soundtrack collaborations in history. Along with producer Bones Howe, Waits and Gayle cut their duets largely from the studio floor, live with the small combo-style studio band that included the saxophonist Teddy Edwards, drummer Shelly Manne, trumpeter Jack Sheldon, pianist Pete Jolly, and bassist Greg Cohen, among others. The opening cut, a Waits piano intro that flows into the duet "Once Upon a Town," is a study in contrasts: first there are the stark ivories and the tinkle of a coin falling upon a bar before Waits' then-still-smoky baritone (now ravaged indescribably) entwines with Gayle's clear, ringing, emotionally rich vocal, and then joined by Bob Alcivar's string orchestrations before giving way to a jazzed-out down-tempo blues, where the pair sing in call-and-response counterpoint about the disappointments in life and love. These are echoed a couple of tracks later in another duet, "Picking Up After You," which is the ultimate starstruck breakup tune. And while there are only four duets on the entire set, they are startling in their ragged intimacy, contrasted with a stark yet elegant atmosphere and cool noir-esque irony. Gayle's solo performances on the set, which include the mournfully gorgeous "Is There Any Way out of This Dream," with beautiful accompaniment in a tenor solo by Edwards, and the shimmering melancholy of "Old Boyfriends," are among the finest in her long career. For his part, Waits' "I Beg Your Pardon" and "You Can't Unring a Bell" fit deftly into his post-beat hipster canon, though they are offered with less droll irony and more emotionally honest flair here than they would have if they were on his own solo recordings. Likewise, the piano and vocal duet of "Take Me Home" offers Waits' piano as a canny and intuitive counterpart to the deep sensuality of Gayle's vocal. One From the Heart is a welcome addition to any soundtrack library to be sure, but also an essential one to the shelf of any Waits or Gayle fan.


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I didn't know this thread was happening, but Black Rider is my favorite Tom Waits album

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real gone is real fucking awesome.

make it rain is my fav. track on there.

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One from the Heart. Well, I think I actually like this one better than Heartattack so I don't know what I was thinking. This is really nicely varied stylistically and a pretty strong album overall. I'm not crazy about all of the Crystal Gayle stuff, but it's forgivable. I guess DumpJack will have something to look forward to by leaving this for after Waits' other studio stuff.


Yeah this is pretty enjoyable and hitting all the right spots today. It's not terribly different from what he's does previously in the 70s, maybe a wee bit softer though. I'm kind of glad I left this one until today.

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are you not uppifying orphans or the new live one?


Yeah, I'm doing those up this week. Starting with the triple Brawlers et al. tomorrow.

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Blood Money has my favorite Waits song -- "All The World Was Green" - which I am quite surprised no one has covered, and fits in well on the Slowcore Monger scale.

Black Rider has SOME redeeming value -- Frank Black covered the song, to amazing effect. To wit: it was his cover of that song, on Bloor's first FB mix that made me into an FB solo fan.

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Blood Money has my favorite Waits song -- "All The World Was Green" - which I am quite surprised no one has covered, and fits in well on the Slowcore Monger scale.


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At this stage of the game, any new Tom Waits record is an event. Listening through the music of his entire career is daunting, to say the least, but it's a journey no one else, with the possible exception of Bob Dylan, has taken before. If one listens to the official recordings, from 1973's Closing Time, featuring the songs of an itinerant Beat barroom singer (no lounges please), right on through to the frenetic mania of 2004's Real Gone, one becomes aware of not only the twists and turns of a songwriter wrestling and bellowing at and with his muse, but of a journeyman artist barely able to hold on to the lid of his creativity, let alone keep it on. True, there have been many stops along the way: in the seediest lounges (1977's Foreign Affairs, which could have been a twisted inspiration to novelist Phillip Kerr when he wrote the Berlin Noir trilogy); acid-drenched blues scree (1980's Heartattack and Vine); travelogues of the unseen and the unspeakable (1985's Rain Dogs); seething and murderous suburban nightmares (1987's Franks Wild Years); the frighteningly comic tales of plagues and carnivals (1993's Black Rider); the scrape, squeal, and hollowed-out metal crunch of urban junkyards and classically American paranoia (1999's Mule Variations); and through-the-mirror-darkly image nightmares and fairy tale variations (2002's Alice and Blood Money). All of it is contained in the man who takes delight in the bent, quarreling marriage of song and sound with dangerously comic imagery.

Orphans is the most unwieldy Tom Waits collection yet. Packaged in a Cibachrome-tinted box are three discs containing 56 songs total. It claims 30 new tunes, but a mere 14 can be found on other records -- six othersd have to be hunted for while the remainder have shown up in various incarnationson soundtracks, compilations, etc. This crazy thing began as a collection of outtakes, rarities, soundtrack tunes, and compilation-only cuts -- some of which survive here in new form, including tracks from the Ramblin' Jack Elliot tribute, the Bridge benefit, and two Ramones covers, to name a few. In other words, the first conception for this mess was as a hodgepodge collection of attic material. Waits checked out the tune selection as it was and said something like "nah, bad idea; this would suck." So, he did what any self-respecting artist with a head full of ideas, two stomping, shuffling feet, and itchy fingers -- and time on his hands -- would do: he recorded new songs and re-recorded others, so the thing would have some kind of elasticity yet hold its rickety bone and far-reaching sources together by means of cheap glue, chewed gum, solder, and a visionary recording engineer named Karl Derfler.

The end result is this daunting triple disc divided by title and theme: disc one is "Brawlers," Waits' rock and blues record, evoking everyone from T. Rex and Johnny Burnette to Sonny Curtis and Howlin' Wolf. It's a grand thing, since he hasn't released one like this before -- the closest were Heartattack and Vine on one side and Mule Variations on the other. Travel, regret, murder, salvation, guttersnipe meditations on sorrow, and nefarious and broken-down innocent -- and nefarious -- amorous intentions are a few of the themes that run through these tunes like oil and sand. Disc two is "Bawlers," a collection of ballads, raw love songs, weepy wine tunes, wistful yet tentative hope -- in the form of floppy prayers -- and an under-the-table and wishing, bewildered, yet dead-on topical tome on the world's political situation. Disc three, entitled "Bastards," is even edgier; it's Waits hanging out there with his music and muse on the lunatic fringe of experimentation. Think Bone Machine's wilder moments and Waits' loopy standup comedy in the form of six spoken word pieces included here. Thank goodness he finally did this. If you've ever seen the man on a stage, you'll get why these are so important immediately.

"Brawler" digs deep into the American roots music that has obsessed Waits since the beginning of his long labyrinthine haul. There's the frenetic rockabilly swagger that probably makes Carl Perkins and Gene Vincent shake and shimmy in their graves. One of the movie tunes, a cover of "Sea of Love," recalls its place in the film for those who've seen it. If you haven't, it's a slanted, tarnished jewel freshly liberated from antiquity. The hobo ballad "Bottom of the World" recalls old country gospel, and "Lucinda" can only be described as a gallows dance tune. The slippery hoodoo blues "Road to Peace" is the season's most timely and topical political song.

"Bawlers" is the set's bridge, and it's easy to see why: it's the most accessible disc in the box. There are some of the movie tunes here, from flicks like Pollock, Big Bad Love, and Shrek 2. Other cuts, such as "Goodnight Irene," recall "Tom Traubert's Blues (Four Sheets to the Wind in Copenhagen)" from the Small Change album; the singing protagonist here is older and more desperate, almost suicidal. Resignation displaces hope; it's a long reach into the past and expresses the void of the present. The cover of the Ramones' "Danny Says" is completely reinvented; it's one of the loneliest, most sweetly desolate of Waits' many sides. It's not all darkness, however; there are gorgeous songs here too, such as "Never Let Go" and "You Can Never Hold Back Spring," where an indomitable human spirit reins and rings true.

Finally, it comes down to "Bastards." The eerie, strange, cabaret-in-a-carnival music that is Weill and Brecht's "What Keeps Mankind Alive" enlists banjos, accordion, tuba, and big bass drum as simply the means to let these twisted words out of the box. Thankfully the cover of "Books of Moses," originally by Skip Spence, is here, as is Daniel Johnston's "King Kong." Neither of these cuts resembles their original version, and Waits brings out the dark underbelly inherent in each. "Bedtime Story" is the first of the Waits monologues here. It is the repressed wish of every parent (with a sense of humor) to have the temerity to tell this kind of tale to their children when they retire. Others include a reading of Charles Bukowski's "Nirvana," the hilarious monologue "The Pontiac," and the live routine "Dog Door." Perhaps the most inviting cut here is the piano-and-horn ballad "Altar Boy," a postmodern saloon song that would make Bobby Short turn red with rage. This disc is the true mixed bag in the set: unruly, uneven, and full of feints and free-for-alls.

Ultimately, the epicenter of Orphans is Waits' voice. It's many expressions, nuances, bellows, barks, hollers, open wails, roughshod croons, and midnight whispers carry these songs and monologues to the listener with authority as an open invitation into his sound world, his view of tradition, and his manner of shaping that world as something not ephemeral, but as an extension of musical time itself. As a vocalist, Waits, like Bob Dylan, embodies the entire genealogical line of the blues, jazz, local barroom bards, and traveling minstrels in the very grain of his songs. That wily throat carries not only the songs he and his songwriting partner and wife, Kathleen Brennan, pen, but also the magnet for the sonic atmospheres that frame it. There is adventure, danger, and the sound of the previous, the forgotten, and the wished for in it. And it is that voice that links all three of these discs together and makes them partners. One cannot dismiss that even though some of these songs have appeared elsewhere, Orphans is a major work that goes beyond the origins of the material and drags everything past and present with sound and texture into a present to be presented as something utterly new, beyond anything he has previously issued. To paraphrase Ezra Pound in response to Allen Ginsberg's inquiry about what his poem "The Cantos" meant, these orphans speak for themselves.


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Yep. Doing that and Glitter and Doom tomorrow.

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So far, Brawlers is pretty awesome; I wish he sounded like this all the damn time.

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So far, Brawlers is pretty awesome; I wish he sounded like this all the damn time.


Also I loved Bawlers too. Despite the length of the first two discs, I never felt they lagged once. Frankly it kind of pisses me off that I like it so much after having to endure those last couple of albums that he can so effortlessly knock songs like this out. I get that it's essentially and odds and sods kind of compilation and not a proper album. Can't wait to play Basterds now.

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So far, Brawlers is pretty awesome; I wish he sounded like this all the damn time.


Also I loved Bawlers too. Despite the length of the first two discs, I never felt they lagged once. Frankly it kind of pisses me off that I like it so much after having to endure those last couple of albums that he can so effortlessly knock songs like this out. I get that it's essentially and odds and sods kind of compilation and not a proper album. Can't wait to play Basterds now.

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Apologies if anyone is waiting on the upload for this; Mediafire repeatedly fails when I upload today and I've been trying since 7am MST. Try again tomorrow.

Basterds is great as well. I love this whole set.

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