OH SHIT, The National!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

wenchlette · **Posted:** Sat May 15, 2010 6:54 pm

shiv Wrote:

4th thread about the National by dalen this year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

wenchlette · **Posted:** Sat May 15, 2010 6:55 pm

by the way, i'm really looking forward to hearing their new album, but i've decided to not download it and have yet to get out and buy it yet, but from what i've heard i shouldn't be disappointed.

Yail Bloor · **Posted:** Sat May 15, 2010 7:26 pm

harry Wrote:

Yail Bloor Wrote:

Mick the Stripper Wrote:

I'm a reasonable man, I like a little humor with my sadsack pity songs.

Awesome.

Hmmm. This will probably make no sense, but let's see. There are bands who are "postmodern" (yes) and bands who are "modern" (no). "Postmodern" - though it itself is a tired, worn term - are those whose music, in some way, is about music - self-referential, and ironic (c.f. humor above), not just or even in lyrics, but some framing of the "narrative" of the music and band, both the marketed filtered story of how they sound and someway the actual sounds of the guitars, the melodic lines, the broken and pulled apart and fragmentary shards of the popular song, at least to some degree acknowledges the loss of innocence, the Fall from Grace that consciousness forces, the loss of God, and disintegration of cultural norms and signposts, and is music about this layeredness. Jane's Addiction yes, Guns and Roses no. Cure yes, Echo and the Bunnymen no. Pavement yes, Pearl Jam no. X yes, Black Flag no. The Stones yes, Led Zep no. Kraftwerk yes, Can no. You see where I am going with this. More recently: My Morning Jacket yes, Band of Horses no. The "nos" have their appeal, are Romantic with a big R.

In this framing: The National, with lovely toons, and clean guitar world sound, is a no.

It does make sense but some of the conclusions are pretty silly. To each his own though.

shiv · **Posted:** Sat May 15, 2010 7:29 pm

wenchlette Wrote:

shiv Wrote:

4th thread about the National by dalen this year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i wasn't enthused about it.

Mick · **Posted:** Sat May 15, 2010 9:47 pm

Sex, Drugs, and Dave Wrote:

shit, you're right...he needs to talk about his cock more.

Just saying, the guys that Berninger kinda reminds me of: a watered down version of Cohen or Cave or even David Berman, were all funny fuckers. Even though outwardly they seem to appear "depressing" to non-fans, I find all of those guys' humor is what keeps me interested.

Dalen · **Posted:** Sat May 15, 2010 9:59 pm

thread, now chock full of douchebags.

Yail Bloor · **Posted:** Sat May 15, 2010 10:02 pm

Dalen Wrote:

thread, now chock full of douchebags.

why, because they want to discuss the national on a deeper level than OMGLOL2.0!!!!!!?

Dalen · **Posted:** Sat May 15, 2010 10:46 pm

those aren't the folks i'm referring too.

wenchlette · **Posted:** Sun May 16, 2010 3:37 am

shiv Wrote:

wenchlette Wrote:

shiv Wrote:

4th thread about the National by dalen this year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i wasn't enthused about it.

i know, i just wanted to keep with the spirit of the thread

Mick · **Posted:** Sun May 16, 2010 7:37 am

Yail Bloor Wrote:

harry Wrote:

Yail Bloor Wrote:

Mick the Stripper Wrote:

I'm a reasonable man, I like a little humor with my sadsack pity songs.

Awesome.

Hmmm. This will probably make no sense, but let's see. There are bands who are "postmodern" (yes) and bands who are "modern" (no). "Postmodern" - though it itself is a tired, worn term - are those whose music, in some way, is about music - self-referential, and ironic (c.f. humor above), not just or even in lyrics, but some framing of the "narrative" of the music and band, both the marketed filtered story of how they sound and someway the actual sounds of the guitars, the melodic lines, the broken and pulled apart and fragmentary shards of the popular song, at least to some degree acknowledges the loss of innocence, the Fall from Grace that consciousness forces, the loss of God, and disintegration of cultural norms and signposts, and is music about this layeredness. Jane's Addiction yes, Guns and Roses no. Cure yes, Echo and the Bunnymen no. Pavement yes, Pearl Jam no. X yes, Black Flag no. The Stones yes, Led Zep no. Kraftwerk yes, Can no. You see where I am going with this. More recently: My Morning Jacket yes, Band of Horses no. The "nos" have their appeal, are Romantic with a big R.

In this framing: The National, with lovely toons, and clean guitar world sound, is a no.

It does make sense but some of the conclusions are pretty silly. To each his own though.

I can normally get down with Harry's acid grandfather transcendental wisdom, but this is nonsense.

Yail Bloor · **Posted:** Sun May 16, 2010 10:09 am

Mick the Stripper Wrote:

Sex, Drugs, and Dave Wrote:

shit, you're right...he needs to talk about his cock more.

Just saying, the guys that Berninger kinda reminds me of: a watered down version of Cohen or Cave or even David Berman, were all funny fuckers. Even though outwardly they seem to appear "depressing" to non-fans, I find all of those guys' humor is what keeps me interested.

FWIW, "I don't have the drugs to sort it out" is a pretty funny line.

harry · **Posted:** Sun May 16, 2010 12:55 pm

Mick the Stripper Wrote:

I can normally get down with Harry's acid grandfather transcendental wisdom, but this is nonsense.

Come over to gramp's cabin in the woods, I'll make some special tea for you, we'll dress in the magic robes, and will explain the occult foundations behind this. Deerhunter yes, Interpol no. Strokes yes, Real Estate no.

Stop Breathin' · **Posted:** Sun May 16, 2010 7:58 pm

Yail Bloor Wrote:

Mick the Stripper Wrote:

Sex, Drugs, and Dave Wrote:

shit, you're right...he needs to talk about his cock more.

Just saying, the guys that Berninger kinda reminds me of: a watered down version of Cohen or Cave or even David Berman, were all funny fuckers. Even though outwardly they seem to appear "depressing" to non-fans, I find all of those guys' humor is what keeps me interested.

FWIW, "I don't have the drugs to sort it out" is a pretty funny line.

Yes. He's got something for the geeks, too.

Z · **Joined:** Sat Oct 23, 2004 1:38 pm **Posts:** 7979

so did anyone actually watch this?

i thought it was fine. though it's hard to gauge an atmosphere via a webcast. the stream was good quality, but there was a lot of pausing for video buffering, even if the audio played throughout. the thing i always like about the national live is that they vary from recorded arrangements. it's never major, only noticeable. i'm looking forward to seeing them in august. maybe high violet will sink in by then. all of their records have taken numerous listens to sink in for me.

Dalen · **Posted:** Mon May 17, 2010 8:20 am

Code:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=9RPN9FCC

Dalen · **Posted:** Mon May 17, 2010 10:59 am

here's the video.....

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=XTHQMTAP

mojo · **Posted:** Tue May 18, 2010 9:53 am

I happened to be in NYC last weekend and I went to the concert. Very tight, indeed. BAM is a beautiful theater. Here are some photos that I snapped (illegally...)

http://img33.imageshack.us/g/dscf4582x.jpg/

rogneeb · **Joined:** Mon Oct 25, 2004 1:07 pm **Posts:** 12618

from beginning to end, their strongest album yet.

andyfest · **Posted:** Thu May 20, 2010 2:17 pm

Bloodbuzz Ohio is my song of the year so far.

Z · **Joined:** Sat Oct 23, 2004 1:38 pm **Posts:** 7979

so this moved like 55,000 units last week, good enough for 3rd on billboard 200. that's not too bad, even though overall sales were pretty dismal.

shmoo · **Posted:** Thu May 20, 2010 2:31 pm

Does anyone else hear Pink Floyd's "Learning to Fly" in "Bloodbuzz Ohio"?

Black Magic Putin · **Posted:** Thu May 20, 2010 2:38 pm

The only band I like

andyfest · **Posted:** Thu May 20, 2010 2:40 pm

shmoo Wrote:

Does anyone else hear Pink Floyd's "Learning to Fly" in "Bloodbuzz Ohio"?

I see what you mean but it didn't immediately jump out at me. The verses and vocals definitely have a similar feel in parts.

bitterbuffalo · **Posted:** Thu May 20, 2010 2:54 pm

rparis74 Wrote:

from beginning to end, their strongest album yet.

Yep, I'd agree. Thankfully, no Looking for Astronauts moments but unfortunately no Apartment Story moments either, although Bloodbuzz does come close.

Mick · **Posted:** Thu May 20, 2010 10:14 pm

andyfest Wrote:

shmoo Wrote:

Does anyone else hear Pink Floyd's "Learning to Fly" in "Bloodbuzz Ohio"?

I see what you mean but it didn't immediately jump out at me. The verses and vocals definitely have a similar feel in parts.

I mentioned it elsewhere, but I'm always humming "among the missing sons of daughters of the soho riots" over "i was carried, to ohio on a swarm of bees"....and parts of mistaken for strangers over lemonworld. They've re-used a few tricks on this record.

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