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Rads just gets upset when anyone criticizes anything about America.


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 Post subject: Re: "scuttle" ...a question for rootsy music dudes
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contessa was uncharateristically sloppy.

I really thought Harry was above besmirching a woman's character in such a base manner.


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could you be confusing American skiffle with the British skiffle "craze"?

I think the delineation here is between British skiffle and Scottish skiffle. Apparently Scottish skiffle was totally hardcore, almost singlehandedly influencing punk rock. It's what Sham 69 wanted to sound like.


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toots Wrote:
could you be confusing American skiffle with the British skiffle "craze"?

I think the delineation here is between British skiffle and Scottish skiffle. Apparently Scottish skiffle was totally hardcore, almost singlehandedly influencing punk rock. It's what Sham 69 wanted to sound like.


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 Post subject: Re: "scuttle" ...a question for rootsy music dudes
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American skiffle

The origins of skiffle are obscure, but are generally thought to lie in African-American musical culture in the early twentieth century. Skiffle is often said to have developed from New Orleans jazz, but this has been disputed.[1] Improvised jug bands playing blues and jazz were common across the American South in the early decades of the twentieth century, even if the term skiffle was not used to describe them.[2]

They used instruments such as the washboard, jugs, tea chest bass, cigar-box fiddle, musical saw, and comb-and-paper kazoos, as well as more conventional instruments such as acoustic guitar and banjo.[3] The term skiffle was one of many slang phrases for a rent party, a social event with a small charge designed to pay rent on a house.[4] It was first recorded in Chicago in the 1920s, and may have been brought there as part of the African American migration to northern industrial cities.[1]

The first use of the term on record was in 1925 in the name of Jimmy O'Bryant and his Chicago Skifflers. Most often it was used to describe country blues music records, which included the compilation "Hometown Skiffle" (1929), and "Skiffle Blues" (1946) by Dan Burley & His Skiffle Boys.[5] It was used by Ma Rainey (1886–1939) to describe her repertoire to rural audiences.[1] The term skiffle disappeared from American music in the 1940s.

British skiffle craze
A relatively obscure genre, skiffle might have been largely forgotten if not for its revival in the United Kingdom in the 1950s and the success of its main proponent, Lonnie Donegan. British skiffle grew out of the developing post-war British jazz scene, which saw a move away from swing music and towards authentic trad Jazz.[1]



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 Post subject: Re: "scuttle" ...a question for rootsy music dudes
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I'm with Rads on this one: While those doinks were playing skiffle and having peepee sword fights, there were actual GODS playing raw and raunchy music elsewhere.

That those GODS had to drink out of separate water fountains is a whole 'nother story.

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Fats Domino recorded 'Fat Man' in 1949. Just sayin'.

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Mozart composed the Requiem in 1791. Just sayin'.

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Are you sayin' that Mozart was a proto rock n roller or fats isn't?

Because under Darrin's theory, skiffle filled a void before Elvis got started. But folks like Ike turner and Fats were making something that sounded an awful like rock before 1950 and the skiffle craze. Not only were they making it but it was being recorded. The Fat Man sold a million records in 1950.

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I tried to find somebody of that sort that I could like that nobody else did - because everybody would adopt his group, and his group would be _it_; someone weird like Captain Beefheart. It's no different now - people trying to outdo ! each other in extremes. There are people who like X, and there are people who say X are wimps; they like Black Flag.


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 Post subject: Re: "scuttle" ...a question for rootsy music dudes
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And as far as British invasion influence, listen to the piano on Lady Madonna.

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