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 Post subject: "Music is not about owning, it’s about accessing."
PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2010 10:33 pm 
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A frightening, yet revealing comment regarding the music industry today.

Fred Davis, President, Conde Nast Digital continued with "Spotify seems to have unlocked a key to accessing music. Artists and Labels and entertainment companies need to migrate, similar to Netflix with DVDs and movies."

So, are you guys cool with your music being in the cloud, or is owning physical product still important to you?

For me, I HAVE to own something physical. I just don't get the mindset of "as long as I can access it, I'm cool." Fuck that, I want a CD or vinyl LP that I can fondle with my bare hands, or it doesn't feel like it's mine. I understand the convenience of the cloud, but it just doesn't cut it for overall experience and satisfaction.

I am hoping I can pass this along to my son. It's unnerving to think that his music collection might be entirely cloud based.

The rest of the interesting video is here:

http://techcrunch.com/2010/05/24/evolve ... ublishing/


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I have come to terms with the fact that the battle is won by having yourself heard, not sold. Artists are competing with so many other artists these days that it's a victory merely to be heard and enjoyed.


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interesting. i do question the artist that wants to be sold more than heard though.


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No interest in owning entertainment media of any kind.


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because of clutter?


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The only way to make money seems to be in the live shows, which can't happen unless you get heard. (And make good music, of course.)


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because of clutter?
Yeah, keeping that shit in my house doesn't add any value to the experience to me. I'm eyeing my books that I'll never read again with suspicion.


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I buy a cd, rip it to itunes, and then put it on my shelf almost never to pull it out again...

that reasoning alone, i should just be downloading , and not purchasing physical product..

but like Dale, I need the physical product. I enjoy looking at my wall of music and dvd's. I don't think that is gonna change!

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I'm not sure the movie industry would agree with Davis either.


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Put me in the "Physical Product" camp. Anything else feels like "It's bof ours, but we'll keep it at my house."

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i'm thinking of ditching jewel cases soon. that shit is getting annoying. on the other hand, i might also be annoyed by having some in cd cases and then the rest in digipaks.

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I like physical product, but that's because that's what I've grown up with. If it goes away, I'm sure I'll adapt. The only issue is that when I don't buy something and it's just at the tip of my finger I tend to take it for granted/not put the full time and effort to give a new album the chance it may very well deserve. In 2009, this really affected my listening habits.


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Twilightkid Wrote:
but like Dale, I need the physical product. I enjoy looking at my wall of music and dvd's. I don't think that is gonna change!


Agreed. Although i could use some better storage racks for my wall of cds and records. My cd collection is at 2999 and I ran out of reasonable space about 850 cds ago.

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If there's a major time gap between what's available now and the neural implant that will give me vinyl quality sound straight into my brain pan, I'll keep what I have and do the best I can.


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I like having cds, but that's just because it's easier to listen to in my car. I have one of those Ipod travel radio car adapters but the cigarette lighter/power adapter is annoyingly close to the wheel.

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re: analogy to movies/netflix - for me, movies are usually one-and-done media. i'm completely satisfied to d/l or stream something and let it pass back into the cloud. this is why my dvd collection is a fraction of what my music collection is.

as for music, i like to listen to music on my stereo, in my car, on my computer at my desk, etc, and I can give a great album 10 spins a week, so a cd suits me fine. granted i could buy an ipod, a dock, some speakers or converters or whatever and listen to mp3s in all those places but... i guess i just don't feel like it.

i'm going to go out on a limb and say that physical media won't be phased out in my lifetime, so i'm not going to worry about it.

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in some ways last.fm has replaced my hoarder needs. I feel weird listening and not scrobbling as much as i feel weird listening and not owning.

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discostu Wrote:
The only issue is that when I don't buy something and it's just at the tip of my finger I tend to take it for granted/not put the full time and effort to give a new album the chance it may very well deserve.


This and the fact that I genuinely enjoy record shopping.

Strangely I've never had the desire to own dvd's like cd's. I own maybe 15.


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jewels santana Wrote:
in some ways last.fm has replaced my hoarder needs. I feel weird listening and not scrobbling as much as i feel weird listening and not owning.


I've said this before on here, but I'm obsessed enough with scrobbling that when I play a CD on my stereo or in my car, I'll also play the album in iTunes so it will scrobble.

As far as physical media, I know I'll never get tired of it. I go through periods where I realize I'm spending too much money, and I'll burn copies of CDs to tide me over. But I always end up buying the real thing.


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thats kind of nuts, thisotherkingdom

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the less crap i have in the house, the better. couldnt tell you the last physical cd i bought. i used to be so obsessive about proudly displaying my racks upon racks of alphabetized cds in the most trafficked room of the house. now they are all in a book in the basement and my trusty ipod does me no wrong.

and i dont know why, unless it was like a concert or something, why anyone would buy movies upon movies. how often do you play the same movie in a year? maybe its more due the fact that i dont have time to sit around watching movies all day and when i do, i dont need to watch the royal tenenbaums for the 8th time

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The only issue is that when I don't buy something and it's just at the tip of my finger I tend to take it for granted/not put the full time and effort to give a new album the chance it may very well deserve.


Strangely I've never had the desire to own dvd's like cd's. I own maybe 15.


i've got a lot of dvd's, maybe a couple hundred, but the only thing that keeps me from buying more is that they'll release them and then 6 months later come out with another release with more features.

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I've never understood the folks, and I know plenty of guys and girls, who collect DVDs (and VHS before that) and watch movies over and over again. I'm like bort in that most movies are one-and-done for me. I get much more enjoyment out music and discovering what is hiding in the crevasses of songs and albums or even listening superficially than I do with a movie. By that logic, I guess I should be stealing movies and buying music, but I don't want to have to watch a movie on my computer (yes, I know you can hook the laptop up to a TV monitor) and I can listen to music doing nearly everything whereas a movie takes undivided attention that I'm not willing to give up on a regular basis.


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I've never understood the folks, and I know plenty of guys and girls, who collect DVDs (and VHS before that) and watch movies over and over again. I'm like bort in that most movies are one-and-done for me. I get much more enjoyment out music and discovering what is hiding in the crevasses of songs and albums or even listening superficially than I do with a movie. By that logic, I guess I should be stealing movies and buying music, but I don't want to have to watch a movie on my computer (yes, I know you can hook the laptop up to a TV monitor) and I can listen to music doing nearly everything whereas a movie takes undivided attention that I'm not willing to give up on a regular basis.


I feel like with most movies it's enough to watch just once, but many movies I find get better the more you watch them. Each time I watch a quality movie I gain more from it, but then again this is coming from someone who was a film major for a year and a half and who doesn't necessarily watch movies for their story lines.

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I have a large dvd collection, but I am a film nerd. Though it's still at least half the size of my cd collection. I try to only buy dvds (blu ray now) of things that have rewatchability, but even so I don't have the time to watch movies as much as I used to. There is definitely a group of people, probably mostly all male, who buy a ton of dvds, so many that it makes it physically impossible for them to watch them all. If you go to sites like bluray.com you'll see people that already have 400-500 blu rays, a format that's been around like 3 years. I'd be hard pressed to find 100 blu rays I'd even want, let alone actually pay for. It just becomes a collecting mentality, much like cds for some people here. I'd bet a lot of these people with large movie collections have smaller music collections. People here don't get the dvd thing because this is a "music site"

I'll be damned if I'm going to pay for a download of an album. If I'm paying 10 bucks for music, a book, whatever, I want a physical copy. I don't give a shit about displaying them, it's more the principal. I'm thinking of putting all my dvds in sleeves since they take up too much room and are ugly anyway. CDs can stay for now.


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