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this is go to have amazing ramifications one way or another


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shit's gonna hit the fan, methinks.


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I didn't know he got his beginnings as a terrorist.

This should definitely make things interesting over there.


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yeah. What's that in the distance? Oh that's the Pale Horse riding!


mwah hahahahaha

I should probably be more sensitive.


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i think i'm ambivalent at best about arafat. bad dude? sure. good dude at times? sure. can we say this about the leaders of his former enemy? sure. if he was assassinated instead of rabin, who knows how we would be talking about him. (my own poli sci analysis of the peace process: shit was dealt a severe blow with rabin's death and no one can replace him, although playing from a position of power and security, sharon could eventually be a peace broker, though that's not too likely)

but, now that he's gone and there isn't a secure power structure in place - that we know of - a power vacuum is almost certain to happen, which is *not* good, seeing as how most chaotic political situations are stabilized via aggressive and violent means, both outwardly and internally. let's hope there's some big time cool heads running shit behind the scenes, on both the israeli and palestinian side.

the nightmare scenario is that Hamas or a group of similar standing in the Palestinian world gets vaulted to the front of the Palestinian leadership, engaging Israel in a full-on war. Israel then invades Gaza and the W. Bank, and guess who plays a coalition partner? if the US goes in, Iran will almost certainly come off the official sidelines and we're off to the races...

ugh.

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let's hope there's some big time cool heads running shit behind the scenes, on both the israeli and palestinian side.


Don't forget about the States. Rather, I guess we can forget about the States. Holy shit.


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and good riddance!

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I hope this allows somebody more moderate to step into his shoes, and actually be able to work with Israel


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I hope this allows somebody more moderate to step into his shoes, and actually be able to work with Israel


Might help if Israel were moderate, too.

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Oh, can I just say how pissed I am that I missed the last 5 minutes of CSI: NY because the fucking network news couldn't wait 5 minutes for the local news to come on, so I missed the most important part of the show where they tie it all together.


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Ariel Sharon is likely to follow Yasser pretty soon if he doesn't lose some weight, he must be about 350ibs! You can say what you like about our guys but at least Bush and Blair are pretty trim. Sharon needs to get his lardy ass over an Isreali commando assault course, starting yesterday.

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I respect Arafat greatly. IT is true that towards end of his life he became useless. I studied the Israel/Palestine situation under a Don at Oxford. She was a Palestinian who used to be a communications director for the PLO. The way she explained Arafat and the Palestine Israel situation really enlightened me. This is not to say that she didn't have a biased perspective. I believe Arafat was political genious who was able to become the embodiment of an enitre movement for a long time.

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frostingspoon w/thong Wrote:

Might help if Israel were moderate, too.

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I can defend Israel with the best of them, but, it takes two to have created the problems that exist there.

I am also bothered by the fact that you can't even question Israel without being labeled.

I don't know if Arafat's passing is good news or not.

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I didn't know he got his beginnings as a terrorist.


Good riddance to the father of modern terrorism.

Key Events in Yasir Arafat's Terrorist Career

– Aug 4, 1929: Arafat born in Cairo. Muhammad Abdel Rahman Abdel Rauf al-Qudwa al-Husseini is fifth child of prosperous merchant, Abdel Raouf al-Qudwa al-Husseini.

– 1933: Arafat's mother dies. He and his infant brother are sent to live with uncle in Jerusalem.

– Late 1950's: Arafat co-founds Fatah, the “Movement for the National Liberation of Palestine.”

– Jan. 1, 1965: Fatah fails in its first attempted attack within Israel — the bombing of the National Water Carrier.

– July 5, 1965: A Fatah cell plants explosives at Mitzpe Massua, near Beit Guvrin; and on the railroad tracks to Jerusalem near Kafr Battir.

– 1965-1967: Numerous Fatah bomb attacks target Israeli villages, water pipes, railroads. Homes are destroyed and Israelis are killed.

– July 1968: Fatah joins and becomes the dominant member of the PLO, an umbrella organization of Palestinian terrorist groups.

– Feb. 4, 1969: Arafat is appointed Chairman of the Executive Committee of the PLO

– Feb. 21, 1970: SwissAir flight 330, bound for Tel Aviv, is bombed in mid-flight by PFLP, a PLO member group. 47 people are killed.

– May 8, 1970: PLO terrorists attack an Israeli schoolbus with bazooka fire, killing nine pupils and three teachers from Moshav Avivim

– Sept. 6, 1970: TWA, Pan-Am, and BOAC airplanes are hijacked by PLO terrorists.

– September 1970: Jordanian forces battle the PLO terrorist organization, driving its members out of Jordan after the group's violent activity threatens to destabilize the kingdom. The terrorists flee to Lebanon. This period in PLO history is called “Black September.”

– May 1972: PFLP, part of the PLO, dispatches members of the Japanese Red Army to attack Lod Airport in Tel Aviv, killing 27 people.

– Sept. 5, 1972: Munich Massacre —11 Israeli athletes are murdered at the Munich Olympics by a group calling themselves “Black September,”said to be an arm of Fatah, operating under Arafat's direct command.

– March 1, 1973: Palestinian terrorists take over Saudi embassy in Khartoum. The next day, two Americans –including the United States' ambassador to Sudan, Cleo Noel – and a Belgian were shot and killed. James J. Welsh, an analyst for the National Security Agency from 1969 through 1974, charged Arafat with direct complicity in these murders.

– April 11, 1974: 11 people are killed by Palestinian terrorists who attack apartment building in Kiryat Shmona.

– May 15, 1974: PLO terrorists infiltrating from Lebanon hold children hostage in Ma'alot school. 26 people, 21 of them children, are killed.

– June 9, 1974: Palestinian National Council adopts “Phased Plan,” which calls for the establishment of a Palestinian state on any territory evacuated by Israel, to be used as a base of operations for destroying the whole of Israel. The PLO reaffirms its rejection of United Nations Security Council Resolution 242, which calls for a “just and lasting peace” and the “right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force.”

– November 1974: PLO takes responsibility for the PDFLP's Beit She'an murders in which 4 Israelis are killed.

– Nov. 13, 1974: Arafat, wearing a gun, addresses the U.N. General Assembly.

– March 1975: Members of Fatah attack the Tel Aviv seafront and take hostages in the Savoy hotel. Three soldiers, three civilians and seven terrorists are killed.

– March 1978: Coastal Road Massacre —Fatah terrorists take over a bus on the Haifa-Tel Aviv highway and kill 21 Israelis.

– 1982: Having created a terrorist mini-state in Lebanon destabilizing that nation, PLO is expelled as a result of Israel's response to incessant PLO missile attacks against northern Israeli communities. Arafat relocates to Tunis.

– Oct. 7, 1985: Italian cruise ship Achille Lauro is hijacked by Palestinian terrorists. Wheelchair-bound elderly man, Leon Klinghoffer, was shot and thrown overboard. Intelligence reports note that instructions originated from Arafat's headquarters in Tunis.

– Dec. 12, 1988: Arafat claims to accept Israel's right to exist.

– September 1993: Arafat shakes hands with Israeli Prime Minister Rabin, inaugurating the Oslo Accords. Arafat pledges to stop incitement and terror, and to foster co-existence with Israel, but fails to comply. Throughout the years of negotiations, aside from passing, token efforts, Arafat does nothing to stop Hamas, PFLP, and Islamic Jihad from carrying out thousands of terrorist attacks against Israeli civilians. With Arafat's encouragement and financial support, groups directly under Arafat's command, such as the Tanzim and Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, also carry out terror attacks.

– Oct. 21, 1996: Speaking at a rally near Bethlehem, Arafat said "We know only one word - jihad. jihad, jihad, jihad. Whoever does not like it can drink from the Dead Sea or from the Sea of Gaza." (Yediot Ahronot, October 23, 1996)

– April 16, 1998: In a statement published in the official Palestinian Authority newspaper Al-Hayat Al-Jadeeda, Arafat is quoted: "O my dear ones on the occupied lands, relatives and friends throughout Palestine and the diaspora, my colleagues in struggle and in arms, my colleagues in struggle and in jihad...Intensify the revolution and the blessed intifada...We must burn the ground under the feet of the invaders."

– July 2000: Arafat rejects peace settlement offered by Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, which would have led to a Palestinian state.

– September 2000: New "intifada" is launched. Arafat continues to incite, support and fund terrorism.

– Jan. 3, 2002: Israelis intercept the Karine-A, a ship loaded with 50 tons of mortars, rocket launchers, anti-tank mines and other weapons intended for the Palestinian war against the Israelis. The captain admits he was under the command of the Palestinian Authority.

– September 2003: IMF report titled "Economic Performance and Reforms under Conflict Conditions," states that Arafat has diverted $900 million of public PA funds into his own accounts from 1995 - 2000.


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Good for him. He sucked anyway


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It's about time, that schmuck's been jeking us around for almost week. Watch, in three hours, some french boob will come on and say, oops he's still alive.

Rot in hell, bastard.


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No tears shed here.


He was a piece of shit and fucked his own people to boot, but like Castro, I have a certain sick respect for a guy that can operate out where he did for so long.

I will second that I don't know what this means, but I don't think it's good. Wonder what the boys at AIPAC are doing right now.

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Senator Richard LooGAR Wrote:
Kung Fu Reference Wrote:
No tears shed here.


He was a piece of shit and fucked his own people to boot, but like Castro, I have a certain sick respect for a guy that can operate out where he did for so long.


I can agree with that.


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Kung Fu Reference Wrote:
Senator Richard LooGAR Wrote:
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No tears shed here.


He was a piece of shit and fucked his own people to boot, but like Castro, I have a certain sick respect for a guy that can operate out where he did for so long.


I can agree with that.


I had a feeling you would get where I was coming from. Respeck.

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I understand that you, of all people, know this crisis and, in your own way, are working to address it. You, the madras-pantsed julip-sipping Southern cracker and me, the oldman hippie California fruit cake are brothers in the struggle to save our country.

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Oh, can I just say how pissed I am that I missed the last 5 minutes of CSI: NY because the fucking network news couldn't wait 5 minutes for the local news to come on, so I missed the most important part of the show where they tie it all together.

and cbs is very sorry.
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/ ... 5621c.html


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I saw that last night. It cracked me up. I now have to watch tv tonight from 9:55-10:00. haha


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Well mark me as the sole person thinking Arafat was actually the only one keeping shit from REALLy REALLY hitting the fan in the middle east. If you're expecting someone more "moderate" to replace him, you're most likely an idiot. If you're lucky you'll get someone as moderate as Arafat, especially with Sharon still in power. Anyone else in charge that'd agree to anything Sharon would offer and go without a fight would get his ass capped by his own people, and rightfully so.

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Quiche Wrote:
Well mark me as the sole person thinking Arafat was actually the only one keeping shit from REALLy REALLY hitting the fan in the middle east. If you're expecting someone more "moderate" to replace him, you're most likely an idiot. If you're lucky you'll get someone as moderate as Arafat, especially with Sharon still in power. Anyone else in charge that'd agree to anything Sharon would offer and go without a fight would get his ass capped by his own people, and rightfully so.


Jew hater or just an idiot? Over 10 Isreal Prime Ministers over the past 35 years, both hawks and doves, tells me that you aren't understanding your history when it comes to that pile of dung. Arafat dead is a great thing for the Palestine people achieving a state and overall mideast peace. Isreal, correctly, understood to kill the fucker would make him a martyr. Peace might actually happen now... and if not, things will be much clearer without that terrorist sucking cock on both sides...


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