The DJ and Gar Saga Continues-The Bob Dylan listening thread

Yail Bloor · **Posted:** Thu Jul 22, 2010 7:06 pm

See, now I feel sorry for you, harry.

tentoze · **Posted:** Thu Jul 22, 2010 7:24 pm

Yail Bloor Wrote:

See, now I feel sorry for you, harry.

Tyra Banks motherfucker...

:lol:

harry · **Posted:** Thu Jul 22, 2010 7:38 pm

Yail Bloor Wrote:

See, now I feel sorry for you, harry.

Sorrow from pity or compassion? My life has rocked. I have all that I need and I want what I have.

Dag Hammarskjold's prayer, "for all that has been thank you, for all that will be...yes."

Now, let's return to the Bard of the East Village...

Yail Bloor · **Posted:** Thu Jul 22, 2010 7:54 pm

tentoze Wrote:

Yail Bloor Wrote:

See, now I feel sorry for you, harry.

Tyra Banks motherfucker...

:lol:

YES! It's all about me. :banana:

Yail Bloor · **Posted:** Thu Jul 22, 2010 8:02 pm

harry Wrote:

Now, let's return to the Bard of the East Village...

Agreed. Just put on The Times...

Now THIS is a song that they've tried to kill but that still manages to ring out.

Also, I sort of disagree with the review that DJ posted--I'm not sure I really miss the playful humor; I've always thought that Dylan's best humor was in his kiss off songs ("Positively 4th Street" is fucking hilarious)

And as I type, "With God On Our Side" just came on...Fuck everything, Bob Dylan is god.

harry · **Posted:** Thu Jul 22, 2010 8:14 pm

If God’s on our side
He’ll stop the next war

hey look · **Posted:** Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:58 pm

bob dylan rules

ptrck · **Joined:** Wed Oct 27, 2004 10:55 pm **Posts:** 5568

yeah what album are we on anyway, im gonna join this clusterfuck

Kingfish · **Posted:** Fri Jul 23, 2010 12:11 am

Patrick Wrote:

yeah what album are we on anyway, im gonna join this clusterfuck

Today was the times are a changing. Tomorrow should be Another Side of Bob Dylan.

duckyboy · **Posted:** Fri Jul 23, 2010 2:51 am

Yail Bloor Wrote:

Now THIS is a song that they've tried to kill but that still manages to ring out.

yes!

DumpJack · **Posted:** Fri Jul 23, 2010 8:26 am

Quote:

The other side of Bob Dylan referred to in the title is presumably his romantic, absurdist, and whimsical one -- anything that wasn't featured on the staunchly folky, protest-heavy Times They Are a-Changin', really. Because of this, Another Side of Bob Dylan is a more varied record and it's more successful, too, since it captures Dylan expanding his music, turning in imaginative, poetic performances on love songs and protest tunes alike. This has an equal number of classics to its predecessor, actually, with "All I Really Want to Do," "Chimes of Freedom," "My Back Pages," "I Don't' Believe You," and "It Ain't Me Babe" standing among his standards, but the key to the record's success is the album tracks, which are graceful, poetic, and layered. Both the lyrics and music have gotten deeper and Dylan's trying more things -- this, in its construction and attitude, is hardly strictly folk, as it encompasses far more than that. The result is one of his very best records, a lovely intimate affair.

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tentoze · **Posted:** Fri Jul 23, 2010 8:57 am

This album probably is the most listened to of the early ones for me.

"The tragic figure!" her sister did shout,
"Leave her alone, God damn you, get out!"
And I in my armor, turning about
And nailing her to the ruins of her pettiness.

I wonder- is this the first time "God damn" made an appearance on a nationally distributed "modern" record?

andyfest · **Posted:** Fri Jul 23, 2010 10:06 am

I've never been able to decide which of Freewheelin, Times and Another Side are my favorite and still can't. I've probably listened to Another Side the least but I really enjoy it.

I always forget how great To Ramona and Motorpsycho Nitemare are.

DumpJack · **Posted:** Fri Jul 23, 2010 11:12 am

I've never really connected with this album as a whole.

harry · **Posted:** Fri Jul 23, 2010 11:12 am

Quote:

Pop Todd says:

And, you know, every time I listen to thethe Kinks I hear something new in their songs:
a chord change that I didn't hear before
a lyric
a harmony

Kerry said it. And, I just wanted to say it, while I was listening.
Ray Davies is as good as (maybe better than) Dylan. And Dave is an incredibly underrated songwriter, himself.
It's a crime that I don't own more of their discography.

As a "whole work" I always liked Times better than Another Side, but some these songs are perfect, and there's a reason so many were covered so successfully ... I can't hear things like Chimes without thinking the Byrd's is a better version. Not often I think other artists covering Dylan are better than the original, but several here were. For what it's worth this album was when Dylan first starting doing a lot of drugs (other than weed), specifically acid. I also think that the British Invasions powerful songcraft was influencing him. But in retrospect, in spite of the strong collection of songs here it seems like a holding pattern compared to Times. Another side was about to be more completely revealed in what was to come.

hey look · **Posted:** Fri Jul 23, 2010 11:14 am

i've never followed one of these threads. DJ just posts up the album and the board talks about it for a day? is that the gist?

andyfest · **Posted:** Fri Jul 23, 2010 11:18 am

contradiction Wrote:

i've never followed one of these threads. DJ just posts up the album and the board talks about it for a day? is that the gist?

Basically. I always give the album a spin even if it's one I'm really familiar with. It's a good time.

Rick Derris · **Posted:** Fri Jul 23, 2010 11:54 am

harry Wrote:

But in retrospect, in spite of the strong collection of songs here it seems like a holding pattern compared to Times. Another side was about to be more completely revealed in what was to come.

I looked up what was next because I couldn't remember if there was another before "Bringing It All..".

It's astonishing that he released Freewheelin, Times They.., Another Side, Bringing It All, and Highway 61 all within a 2 year and 3 month span.

Incredible. Compare that with some of the artists we were discussing in the "Artist of the Decade" thread who put out at most 4 albums in 10 years.

harry · **Posted:** Fri Jul 23, 2010 12:15 pm

Rick Derris Wrote:

harry Wrote:

But in retrospect, in spite of the strong collection of songs here it seems like a holding pattern compared to Times. Another side was about to be more completely revealed in what was to come.

I looked up what was next because I couldn't remember if there was another before "Bringing It All..".

It's astonishing that he released Freewheelin, Times They.., Another Side, Bringing It All, and Highway 61 all within a 2 year and 3 month span.

Incredible. Compare that with some of the artists we were discussing in the "Artist of the Decade" thread who put out at most 4 albums in 10 years.

Not to return to yesterday's frame of time then and time now.... but time moved at warp speed from 1963 to 1968... and a new Dylan release seemed to mark the progression of something inevitable and important. That being said, in the five works you mention, this in the middle was the "turn" but also the least fully realized.

DumpJack · **Posted:** Fri Jul 23, 2010 12:21 pm

harry Wrote:

Quote:

Pop Todd says:

And, you know, every time I listen to thethe Kinks I hear something new in their songs:
a chord change that I didn't hear before
a lyric
a harmony

Kerry said it. And, I just wanted to say it, while I was listening.
Ray Davies is as good as (maybe better than) Dylan. And Dave is an incredibly underrated songwriter, himself.
It's a crime that I don't own more of their discography.

Don't feed the trolls, harry.

Also, I concur regarding the tremendous speed in which these fucking remarkable albums were released. Stones, Beatles, Dylan put out landspeed quality records in such a short period of time.

Kingfish · **Posted:** Fri Jul 23, 2010 12:52 pm

Rick Derris Wrote:

harry Wrote:

But in retrospect, in spite of the strong collection of songs here it seems like a holding pattern compared to Times. Another side was about to be more completely revealed in what was to come.

I looked up what was next because I couldn't remember if there was another before "Bringing It All..".

It's astonishing that he released Freewheelin, Times They.., Another Side, Bringing It All, and Highway 61 all within a 2 year and 3 month span.

Incredible. Compare that with some of the artists we were discussing in the "Artist of the Decade" thread who put out at most 4 albums in 10 years.

I was thinking about this last night - Dylan didn't become "Dylan" until his 4th album. How often do we give artists a chance past 3 albums these days? The Strokes have 3 albums to their career and they're pretty much done in a lot of people eyes as an interesting artists.

Also, I remember reading in the 90s that if you added up all of Dylan's studio time in his career that it was less than the Beatles studio time for Sgt. Peppers alone. So not only was he releasing at lightning speed, he was pretty much tossing these things out in the studio.

Kingfish · **Posted:** Fri Jul 23, 2010 1:26 pm

Now for Another Side. As an album it lacks the cohesive punch of the first two. But it also hints that Dylan wasn't going to be satisfied with just being a Woody Gutherie folk singer, and there is an artistic restlessness apparent. A lot of great songs though.

To Ramona has always been a favorite Dylan cut of mine. It's so simple but there's a rawness that just connects to me every time I hear it. Chimes of Freedom is another classic cut that is just timeless. I love Spanish Harlem Incident as well. Motorpsycho Nitemare foreshadows Maggie's Farm and I think the surreal narrative holds up surprisingly well. Also, gets bonus points for the line, "I was sleeping like rat when I heard something jerkin." My Back Pages would be lesser artists' great work but it's kind of backseated in the Dylan canon. I Don't Believe You is close to To Ramona as my favorite song on the album.

I don't care for All I Want To Do very much. File "It Ain't Me Babe" under good songs I never want to hear again.

billy g · **Joined:** Mon Oct 25, 2004 1:41 pm **Posts:** 9020

Kingfish Wrote:

Rick Derris Wrote:

harry Wrote:

But in retrospect, in spite of the strong collection of songs here it seems like a holding pattern compared to Times. Another side was about to be more completely revealed in what was to come.

I looked up what was next because I couldn't remember if there was another before "Bringing It All..".

It's astonishing that he released Freewheelin, Times They.., Another Side, Bringing It All, and Highway 61 all within a 2 year and 3 month span.

Incredible. Compare that with some of the artists we were discussing in the "Artist of the Decade" thread who put out at most 4 albums in 10 years.

I was thinking about this last night - Dylan didn't become "Dylan" until his 4th album. How often do we give artists a chance past 3 albums these days? The Strokes have 3 albums to their career and they're pretty much done in a lot of people eyes as an interesting artists.

Also, I remember reading in the 90s that if you added up all of Dylan's studio time in his career that it was less than the Beatles studio time for Sgt. Peppers alone. So not only was he releasing at lightning speed, he was pretty much tossing these things out in the studio.

Agreed on all counts. I am under the impression that Dylan wasn't a guy that came to the studio ready to just cut tracks. I've read lots of stories about session guys just waiting around the studio while Dylan was writing. So if this is based on all the studio time booked, its especially amazing.

andyfest · **Posted:** Fri Jul 23, 2010 2:23 pm

Kingfish Wrote:

Also, I remember reading in the 90s that if you added up all of Dylan's studio time in his career that it was less than the Beatles studio time for Sgt. Peppers alone. So not only was he releasing at lightning speed, he was pretty much tossing these things out in the studio.

I read something like that too. I guess he's notorious for just running through songs once or twice and moving on.

Yail Bloor · **Posted:** Fri Jul 23, 2010 5:44 pm

I forgot to put this on my phone and it wasn't on my ipod either for some reason so I listened to this instead:

I'll listen to the album to catch up though.

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