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Just kill it yourself, and while you're at it, burn the neighbors house down.

i don't think its fair to say its usually the owners fault for every breed except pits. i know they were originally bred because of their high prey drive, but that's a trait of all bully breeds, and terriers. i own a boxer/lab/pit mix, and have been doing lots of research on the breed. they are very intelligent dogs, and its sad what the media has done to them.

drinky, very sorry for your loss. your neighbors sound like real pieces of work.

I tried calling county animal services on Tuesday, and they were basically like "Well, what? What do you want us to do?" They informed me that if there were an "investigation", I would be found in violation of Dekalb County's "leash law" because my dog was found not confined on my property and not on a leash. I don't know if the police would handle this sort of thing, but I doubt it. I may look into it some more, but I'm losing my motivation to want to get back at these people and their animal. I do think it's a dangerous dog that they have, but I really don't think it poses a threat to us or our other dog. I did go into that yard to get my dog when their dog was there, and while it seemed a little bit wary, it wasn't hostile to me when I was actually in their yard. I still hate that thing and don't want to see it anymore, but to solve that particular problem, we're going to build a privacy fence between our yard and theirs. But only on that one side. Hope that sends a clear message.

And stu I really did want to kill that dog Monday and did come fairly close to doing it. It came up to the fence and started barking at me while I was digging Mahndoo's grave, and I went straight over to the fence and started jabbing it with the handle of the shovel. I really, really wanted to turn it around just brain it with the blade (its head reaches just over the chain link fence when it gets up on its hind legs), but the owner called the dog in. And my wife was out there, too, and urging me to stop. Not really because she didn't want me to kill it but because she was afraid I might provoke it into trying to get over the fence, which I guess I might have.

Really sorry to hear about your loss Drinky. Its amazing how attached we become to our pets.



I think you are probably taking the right approach here. If their dog got loose and attacked Mahndoo in public or on your property, you could do something about it. I don't think you have much of a case though if its your dog that went on to their property and there's no other previous record of their dog posing a threat to anyone.

I'm not saying that these people are good neighbors or that their dog isn't dangerous, but I don't think their reaction to you is surprising once you said something to the effect that you thought their dog was "dangerous. and that you didn't feel comfortable living next to it." At that point, you made yourself a threat to them keeping their dog that they probably love. It's not all that surprising to me that they would be defensive. Just sayin'

Sorry about your loss though. That really sucks.

I get what you're saying, and while I'm naturally biased here, I still don't think they're justified in their general attitude or their specific response to me. Something my mom sent to me in an email today:



Mahndoo was a problem dog in a lot of ways, and there was always the possibility that he would do something to someone that would force us to finally get rid of him. It was actually something we discussed several times, but he never actually did anything besides run away a couple of times and just be loud and annoying. And there was little or no chance he would ever kill anyone else's pet unless it was a pet bird or hamster or something. And like most small dogs, I am very sure that he would only have bitten someone if he were cornered and felt threatened. We were very conscious of how his barking affected or might be affecting our neighbors, and we did everything we could to stop it or limit it as much as possible. We were always dreading the day one of neighbors would get fed up and either come over to complain or file a complaint without even telling us. So - in addition to just trying to be good neighbors - we've tried to keep communication open with our neighbors - especially our nextdoor neighbors which these aren't - and urged them to be honest with us about whether or not our dog bothered them. Contrast that with these people who absolutely do not care how their dog affects their neighbors - even when it kills one of their pets! I mean, I don't care if I put them on the defensive, not everyone would try to immediately retaliate or even dispute my claim in this type of situation. These people are low class. I guess their response in "understandable" if you're starting with the base assumption that they're not wholly civilized.

Drinky, sadly, this could very well be the reason they haven't shown any remorse or feelings towards you both regarding your dogs death.

I don't know, though. Their dog has been just as annoying, with adding bonus of also being threatening and scary, on a regular basis.

Again, civilized people would talk to us about that if it were a problem for them.

Some of our friends got a puppy recently, and when they left the dog obviously had to be crated. She, in turn, barked non-stop. They live in a duplex, so essentially a town house. They went to their neighbors and said, if you hear her barking, let us know and we'll move her crate. It happens that through some friends, I'm somehow the neighbor's son's friend on FB. Well, he starts writing updates about the dog barking non-stop and how he wishes someone would shut it up, etc. So I tell my friends this, and like a concerned neighbor they go over, once again asking if the dog is barking too loud, etc. They are kinda short with them but maintain that, no, the barking cannot be heard. Some neighbors are weird like that. They're trying to be polite and not disrupt that "peace" but in the end come off looking pretty rude.

Some people just don't want to be buddy/buddy with their neighbors.

I understand that, and that's fine. It would be one thing if these people had never done anything to bother us, but their dogs have always been pretty barky and annoying, too. They've had a rotating cast of dogs over there, and they used to have some that howled at night. Their dogs would often provoke ours to bark so most of the time when ours were barking, theirs were, too.

This is all to dispute Dalen's assertion. I mean, they may be glad that he's gone for that very reason, but that's pretty shitty and disingenuous of them. Their dogs bark less now that ours isn't out there, but the inverse would also have been true.

Good fences make good neighbors is one of the best proverbs ever.

there's a dog on my route (i think it's a labradoodle) that's super aggressive, barks at me as soon as it sees me and is generally a pain in the ass and the owner is apathetic about it coming up to me and getting right in my face. she'll just call it and make a halfassed attempt to try and get it to come to her. i like all the dogs on my route (except for one other grumpy ass dog) and i'd never think about using dog spray on any of them but this one is really just asking for it.

and just to lighten the mood a little.



Dead, Stuffed Animal Holds The World's Strongest Beer

Our black shepherd has the German Shepherd nerve disease... a dog that once jumped over 12 foot fences is dragging his rear end across the floor, sometimes unable to stand at all. The clock is ticking, it's the long goodbye. It breaks our heart. Here's Lobo:

Tough times for Obner pooches. Sorry for your loss, Drinky. And best of luck to yours harry.

I'm giving Phil and Deena's dogs (who are fine, btw) some extra attention next time I'm over. I love those goddamn mutts.

Sorry to hear about that, harry. I wish him the best and hope he doesn't have to suffer. A close friend's dog is part shepherd, and he is an awesome dog.

please don't tell me there's an obner pet curse, too..

sorry, harry. best of luck to you.

Completely, and I didn't mean my story/statement to be a sign of "yr in the wrong". It just sucks that you have to live by people like that who show no remorse. I mean, if I would've been in their shoes, I would definitely have offered to cover vet bills, if not send over flowers. To me, that would've been appropriate. Sure the hole in the fence lends itself to a gray area, but their dog did it. Any pet owner should understand about the death of an animal, and show at least some sort of emotion.

my grandma had a dog named Lobo

and another named Pug

My grandpa had a dog named Hobo, we called it Bo.

Good looking pup, harry.

And re: Drinky's situation... others brought up undisciplined/untrained dogs (bad owners) and that is what it comes down to. Properly trained/obedient dogs won't kill other animals (except maybe stuffed ones with the squeaker that sounds like a dying rabbit) or incessantly bark out of what is usually anxiety. And while hindsight is 20/20, try to find a puppy that is submissive and a breed that is easy to train (for example: terriers are often terrible pets as it's been bred into them to hunt and kill vermin and they can be "difficult"). I'm just exposed to too many people with dogs who completely run their lives, soil their house, cars, etc and it irks me.

Yeah, I concur w/stu and kingfish... almost invariably the "dog-dog" problem is the result of a bad human/incapable owner making mistakes. Even those alpha dogs that are inherently aggressive shouldn't kill other dogs. It's a horrendous thing happened Drinky... I can't imagine how hard it must have been.

Beautiful dog, Harry. Although not a black one, the shepherd I had was the smartest dog I've ever been around.

Condolences to Drinky on the loss of your friend.