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So…will the real Bob Dylan please stand up?

Or, better yet, sit out.

To understand “Self-Portrait,” you have to understand where Dylan was at this point in his life and career......


This fucking gob snoffler can wipe Bob Dylan's ass from now till God-Come-Tuesday, and it won't make this bottomless cess pool of a record one whit better than it actually is, which is unfathomably awful. This should have been more than enough to prove to the world that Dylan could excel even at bad music, doing it worse than most. I don't give a damn what his "motivation" was here, but some hellish shit should have rained down on him for SP.


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Compared yesterday's late-term abortion, this is probably going to sound like Bringing It All Back Home

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Dylan rushed out New Morning in the wake of the commercial and critical disaster Self Portrait, and the difference between the two albums suggests that its legendary failed predecessor was intentionally flawed. New Morning expands on the laid-back country-rock of John Wesley Harding and Nashville Skyline by adding a more pronounced rock & roll edge. While there are only a couple of genuine classics on the record ("If Not for You," "One More Weekend"), the overall quality is quite high, and many of the songs explore idiosyncratic routes Dylan had previously left untouched, whether it's the jazzy experiments of "Sign on the Window" and "Winterlude," the rambling spoken word piece "If Dogs Run Free" or the Elvis parable "Went to See the Gypsy." Such offbeat songs make New Morning a charming, endearing record.

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outside of a few clunkers I like this album a lot. It has a sound not really found on other albums of his. Maybe more of a pop feel? And emphasis on shorter hook driven songs? Not sure, but I like it.

And credit due to Lebowski for making "The Man in Me" one of my favorites.

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I really can't say much about New Morning, since I've probably never heard it more than a few times. After the shit-pile that was Self Portrait, I was pretty pissed off at Mr. D., and didn't buy anything else until BOTT. A couple months ago, a good friend of mine was getting rid of his 40+ year record collection, and let me go through them first to take whatever I wanted. I think I ended up with everything Dylan put out up to and including Saved, so I'll have to pull this one out and actually listen to it today.


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This album is OK. If anything I think it shows that the dip in quality on Self-Portrait was not entirely intentional as it continues the general decline from John Wesley Harding (which is an album I like a lot, btw). It's a decent album but definitely inferior to Blood on the Tracks, John Wesley Harding, and even Nashville Skyline. I even like his debut more than this one.


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This album is all about Day of The Locusts for me. Agree with Jewels on Lebowski turning The Man in Me into a fine anthem.

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This album is all about Day of The Locusts for me. Agree with Jewels on Lebowski turning The Man in Me into a fine anthem.


Agreed x2. I've always liked and listened to this one much more than JWH...Something about it is more focused and frankly, its an overall better collection of songs.

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"If Not For You" is one of my favorite love songs. Personal and aesthetic reasons and while I like Dylan's version, I do like George Harrison's version more. Regardless, the sound that Dylan get through on this song and many of the songs on "New Morning" totally appeal to me. The album has a lot of rough spots, sounding like his prolific era, but then you know-run through the pop/country-rock ringer. Most of it works.

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It's always been a take it-or leave it record for me. Couple of great songs (Day of the Locusts, One More Weekend) with others that are just all right. Still, contrast enhancement places this in the plus column without question.

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I vastly prefer the slowed down more acoustic version of "If Not For You" from the bootleg series over the studio version. Then again, I heard the bootleg version first. Still, I've had this for a few years but can't say I've sat down and listened to it all the way through. The sound on this sounds like he'd been listening to a lot of what was coming out of Laurel Canyon at the time. The songs sound pretty worn and weary. This could be the album he was working on while he crapped out Self Portrait. I mean, they were released 4 months apart at a time when he wasn't being that prolific.


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I'm trying to endure Self Portrait right now, and I'm not sure I can make it all the way through. Seven tracks in and five of them have been awful.


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I'm trying to endure Self Portrait right now, and I'm not sure I can make it all the way through. Seven tracks in and eight of them have been awful.


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"The Mighty Quinn" is really good. But of course it just makes me wish I was listening to The Basement Tapes.


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 Post subject: Re: The DJ and Gar Saga Continues-The Bob Dylan listening thread
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All right, it's Friday and as was getting ready to put up today's album and then looked at what was due up on Monday there's no way we can start the week that way. So it's a two-fer today.

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This album was unusual on several counts. For starters, it was a soundtrack (for Sam Peckinpah's movie of the same title), a first venture of its kind for Bob Dylan. For another, it was Dylan's first new LP in three years -- he hadn't been heard from in any form other than the single "George Jackson," his appearance at the Bangladesh benefit concert in 1971, in all of that time. Finally, it came out at an odd moment of juxtaposition in pop culture history, appearing in July 1973 on the same date as the release of Paul McCartney's own first prominent venture into film music, on the Live and Let Die soundtrack (the Beatles bassist had previously scored The Family Way, a British project overlooked amid the frenzy of the Beatles' success). Interestingly, each effort reunited the artist with a significant musician/collaborator from his respective past: McCartney with producer George Martin and Dylan with guitarist Bruce Langhorne, who'd played with him on his early albums up to Bringing It All Back Home, before being supplanted by Mike Bloomfield, et al. But that was where the similarities between the two projects ended -- apart from the title song, Live and Let Die was Martin's project rather than McCartney's, whereas Dylan was all over Pat Garrett & Billy the Kid as a composer, musician, etc. Additionally, whereas McCartney's work was a piece of pure pop-oriented rock in connection with a crowd-pleasing action-fantasy film, Dylan's work comprised an entire LP, and the resulting album was a beautifully simple, sometimes rough-at-the-edges and sometimes gently refined piece of country- and folk-influenced rock, devised to underscore a very serious historical film by one of the movies' great directorial stylists. It was also as strong as any of his recent albums, featuring not just Langhorne but also such luminaries as Booker T. Jones, Roger McGuinn, and Byron Berline. "Knockin' on Heaven's Door" was the obvious hit off the album, and helped drive the sales, but "Billy 1," "Billy 4," and "Billy 7" were good songs, too -- had any of them shown up on bootlegs, they'd have kept the Dylan semiologists and hagiographers busy for years working over them. The instrumentals surrounding them were also worth hearing as manifestations of Dylan's music-making; "Bunkhouse Theme" was downright gorgeous. It was the first time since New Morning, in 1970, that Dylan had released more than five minutes of new music at once, and it was a gift to fans as well as to Peckinpah -- little did anyone realize at the time that it heralded a period of new recording and a national tour (with the Band), along with a brief label switch, and Dylan's greatest period of sustained musical visibility since 1966. This record also proved that Dylan could shoehorn his music within the requirements of a movie score without compromising its content or quality, something that only the Beatles, unique among rock artists, had really managed to do up to that time, and that was in their own movie, A Hard Day's Night. "Knockin' on Heaven's Door" may have been the biggest hit to come out of a Western in at least 21 years, since Dimitri Tiomkin and Ned Washington had given "High Noon" to Tex Ritter to sing in Fred Zinnemann's High Noon in 1952 (and Katy Jurado was in both movies), and he'd also outdone Ritter on two counts, writing the music -- a full score, to boot -- and getting a cameo appearance in the film. The album was later kind of overlooked and neglected in the wake of the tour that followed and the imposing musical attributes of, say, Blood on the Tracks and Desire, but heard on its own terms it holds up 30-plus years later.

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Commonly regarded as the worst album in Bob Dylan's catalog, Dylan is a collection of nine outtakes from the Self Portrait album Columbia assembled after the singer briefly jumped ship for David Geffen's fledgling Asylum Records. Dylan didn't want the record to be released, and it's easy to see why — the album is a collection of covers that are poorly performed on purpose. Tackling both contemporary writers (Joni Mitchell's "Big Yellow Taxi," Jerry Jeff Walker's "Mr. Bojangles"), pop songs ("Can't Help Falling in Love," "A Fool Such as I"), and traditional numbers ("The Ballad of Ira Hayes," "Spanish Is the Loving Tongue"), Dylan attempts to sabotage each number, but none of the results is quite so shocking, or funny, as the deconstructions on Self Portrait. While Dylan is indeed a negligible album, it isn't unlistenable — it has a pleasant pop/rock sheen and Dylan sings in his Nashville Skyline croon. Nevertheless, it adds nothing to his canon, and only die-hard fans with a perverse sense of humor will find the record worth a listen.

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Continuing along the time-line when I was still in total backlash against Bobby's inexcusable unleashing of SP on the world, never heard either of these. Columbia may have been responsible for Dylan, but ultimately, Dylan was responsible for putting more of that shit on tape. I mean, seriously, anything that was left on the floor at the time of SP's release...

As for the Pat Garrett soundtrack, I did see the movie (this was in the days when 1st run movies were shown at the drive-in, if you know what a drive-in was). I think Zachariah was the opener on a double bill. Vaguely remember it being a pretty decent movie. Looking at the details of it on imdb, I don't remember Funky Donnie Fritts or Dub Taylor in it at all. Dylan mugging for the camera while reading the contents of a pantry at gunpoint ("Beans. Beef Stew.") was/is not a classic moment in cinema history. Knockin' On Heaven's Door, even done to death, is a good song.


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We're now in territory I've always intentionally avoided when it came to Dylan. I think like a lot of people, I've made a point of seeking out all of his stuff from the 60's, mid-70's, and 00's and completely avoiding the rest.

It does sound like I should pick up New Morning one of these days, though.

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Isn't Pat Garrett the movie Peckinpah directed while epically fucking wasted?

Dumpjack is much kinder than I - I would have saved Dylan for Monday. The version on Mr. Bojangles is saw bad it's amazingly good. My room mate (T. Burge for you uga fails) used to listen to this on vinyl all the time. I'm not ashamed to say I like it in a weird way.

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Isn't Pat Garrett the movie Peckinpah directed while epically fucking wasted?


I didn't think there was more than a 24-hour period after about 1963 that Peckinpah WASN'T wasted.


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Dumpjack is much kinder than I - I would have saved Dylan for Monday.


I don't care about these other people, I care about me. If it comes down to waiting for a few days for a potentially gangrenous foot to heal or cutting it off, I'd sooner do it now; and take it off at the knee while you're at it.

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I don't think I've ever actually listened to "Dylan" other than maybe a couple songs - I know it's supposed to be bad and I expect it, but I'll listen later.

"Pat Garrett & Billy The Kid" is pretty excellent to me. I like soundtracks, and I like when my favorite rockers do mostly instrumental soundtracks. I own the movie but haven't watched it, along with all the other Peckinpah movies I own and haven't watched. Shame really. It's nothing special, just enjoyable background music I guess. You can't really compare it to his other output because it's just way different. I believe there is like a 3 or 4-disc outtakes collection from around this time which has Dylan messing around a lot in the studio and is where "Wagon Wheel" (later popularized by Old Crow Medicine Show and every college kid) was created, so that's cool. Anyway, I'm listening now - 10 minutes until 7am and it is pretty excellent wakeup music.

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I also realized I'm far and away the youngest person participating in this thread, which I usually ignore when it comes to "perspective" but I think following such a up and down career that quite a few of you witnessed first hand, while I was not even a thought leaves me a little less angry. Like I said, my Bob Dylan introduction was his MTV Unplugged in the 90s

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I also realized I'm far and away the youngest person participating in this thread, which I usually ignore when it comes to "perspective" but I think following such a up and down career that quite a few of you witnessed first hand, while I was not even a thought leaves me a little less angry. Like I said, my Bob Dylan introduction was his MTV Unplugged in the 90s


This is the same argument Rads uses for my love of latter day Stones. There may be some merit.

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