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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 11:38 am 
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Aren't tentoze, harry, and maybe Radcliffe the only ones here old enough to have reacted to these when they came out?


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 11:43 am 
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I have no idea about Radcliffe, since the red-eared Hounds of Hell seem to be immortal, and I ain't about to call anyone out, but I think there's at least one more who might come close.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 12:21 pm 
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also i didn't really mean to justify myself - was just sort of stating the obvious at this point. that i think more than anyone i'm looking back to a time that doesn't even seem real.

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I wasn't even halfway through "Can't Help Falling in Love" when I first started wishing he had horribly died in that motorcycle crash.

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oh and his fucking version of 'Ballad of Ira Hayes'? I'd like to scalp that fucking white man.

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AHAHAHAAAA....DJ nails it.


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 Post subject: Re: The DJ and Gar Saga Continues-The Bob Dylan listening thread
PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 2:34 pm 
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Dreck. No need to spend time with either of these. Knock, knock knocking... is a great great song, but hearing the Dead (yeah, ok, good alteration) and Guns and Roses (Jesus, is no one listening to each other, can't we find a key we agree on?) both doing it live altered it for me, and not in any good way.

And for the record, each of these releases were huge to me in the real time of my youth... and I am a synchronous Dylan semiologist and but hardly a hagiographer.

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Reteaming with the Band, Bob Dylan winds up with an album that recalls New Morning more than The Basement Tapes, since Planet Waves is given to a relaxed intimate tone -- all the more appropriate for a collection of modest songs about domestic life. As such, it may seem a little anticlimactic since it has none of the wildness of the best Dylan and Band music of the '60s -- just an approximation of the homespun rusticness. Considering that the record was knocked out in the course of three days, its unassuming nature shouldn't be a surprise, and sometimes it's as much a flaw as a virtue, since there are several cuts that float into the ether. Still, it is a virtue in places, as there are moments -- "On a Night Like This," "Something There Is About You," the lovely "Forever Young" -- where it just gels, almost making the diffuse nature of the rest of the record acceptable.

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Yet another one I never bought, and only listened to once or twice. I have a vinyl copy I guess I should clean and play, but I'm not particularly motivated for it.


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 Post subject: Re: The DJ and Gar Saga Continues-The Bob Dylan listening thread
PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 9:33 am 
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Since a couple weeks back when someone posted about it I went and listened to it, I will freely admit to really digging his version of Can't Help Falling in Love. I hadn't heard that one before, but really it's hard for me to see how anyone could view Dylan's career from here on out as more than spotty with occasional highlights.


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 Post subject: Re: The DJ and Gar Saga Continues-The Bob Dylan listening thread
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A recurring theme for me in this thread is that I discover that some of my favorite of the second tier Dylan songs are tunes that appeared on the Biograph album since I'm pretty sure I listened to those three discs roughly 5,000 times between 1995-98.

"On A Night Like This" fits the bill here. Love that tune.

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 Post subject: Re: The DJ and Gar Saga Continues-The Bob Dylan listening thread
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Also, the definitive version of "Going, Going Gone" for me is by the Jerry Garcia Band...strangely, the Dylan/The Band's version here has a very JGB-ish sound ("Senor" is another Dylan song masterfully interpreted by JGB that has the same effect)

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A recurring theme for me in this thread is that I discover that some of my favorite of the second tier Dylan songs are tunes that appeared on the Biograph album since I'm pretty sure I listened to those three discs roughly 5,000 times between 1995-98.

"On A Night Like This" fits the bill here. Love that tune.


Agreed. Biograph has all this era of Dylan I need; maybe more, for that matter.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 11:12 am 
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Yail Bloor Wrote:
A recurring theme for me in this thread is that I discover that some of my favorite of the second tier Dylan songs are tunes that appeared on the Biograph album since I'm pretty sure I listened to those three discs roughly 5,000 times between 1995-98.

"On A Night Like This" fits the bill here. Love that tune.


For sure. I remember reading the entirety of the liner notes to this during a party at 860 one time. Just sitting on that yellow pleather couch, sipping on a beer or nine, passing what needed to be passed, and reading about Bob.

On a Night Like This may actually be MORE representative of Dylan's overall career sound that stuff like say, "Mr. Tambourine Man."

I say that without comment or judgment, just that it seems like he has more jaunty little ditties like that after about 1967 than he does Stone Cold Stunnas.

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I've always been curious about this one because of the reunion of Dylan and the Band, just never curious enough to seek it out. This is the first time I've ever heard it. It's not wholly terrible - nowhere near the low water marks of Self Portrait and Nashville Skyline - but whatever wave Dylan was riding in the 60s is long gone. At this point he's reduced himself to an uninteresting and conventional minor artist, at his best only capable of not embarrassing himself.

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 Post subject: Re: The DJ and Gar Saga Continues-The Bob Dylan listening thread
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If aliens landed on earth and said "We demand three excellent and three terrible Bob Dylan albums", I don't think Planet Waves would spring to mind. 'Tough Mama' fucking swings though.

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I somewhat enjoy Planet Waves. It doesn't come close to anything Dylan did prior to '67 but it's my favorite since JWH. On a Night Like This is strong and I think Something There About You is really overlooked. Though it's not a bad song, I never need to hear Forever Young again and the fact that there are two versions on here makes it hard to listen to this from start to finish.

I also really like his singing style on some of these tracks, it's similar to his singing on the Rolling Thunder tours which is my favorite live stuff from him by far.

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I also really like his singing style on some of these tracks, it's similar to his singing on the Rolling Thunder tours which is my favorite live stuff from him by far.


Agreed.

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'Tough Mama' fucking swings though.


Yeah, it's another one I've beaten to death listening to too many Garcia Band and Legion of Mary boots over the years but it's a strong tune.

Also, after a couple run through's I'm prepared to say that "Going Going Gone" is the best song he had done since Highway 61. Just devastating.

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Following on the heels of an album where he repudiated his past with his greatest backing band, Blood on the Tracks finds Bob Dylan, in a way, retreating to the past, recording a largely quiet, acoustic-based album. But this is hardly nostalgia — this is the sound of an artist returning to his strengths, what feels most familiar, as he accepts a traumatic situation, namely the breakdown of his marriage. This is an album alternately bitter, sorrowful, regretful, and peaceful, easily the closest he ever came to wearing his emotions on his sleeve. That's not to say that it's an explicitly confessional record, since many songs are riddles or allegories, yet the warmth of the music makes it feel that way. The original version of the album was even quieter — first takes of "Idiot Wind" and "Tangled Up in Blue," available on The Bootleg Series, Vols. 1-3, are hushed and quiet (excised verses are quoted in the liner notes, but not heard on the record) — but Blood on the Tracks remains an intimate, revealing affair since these harsher takes let his anger surface the way his sadness does elsewhere. As such, it's an affecting, unbearably poignant record, not because it's a glimpse into his soul, but because the songs are remarkably clear-eyed and sentimental, lovely and melancholy at once. And, in a way, it's best that he was backed with studio musicians here, since the professional, understated backing lets the songs and emotion stand at the forefront. Dylan made albums more influential than this, but he never made one better.

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 Post subject: Re: The DJ and Gar Saga Continues-The Bob Dylan listening thread
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Yeah, speaking of highlights, and what a damn fine one it is. I probably listen to this more than any other Dylan album.


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I believe he had the foresight to write Idiot Wind to Radcliffe's 2000-present critical persona.

But my favorite song on here is Lily, Rosemary and The Jack of Hearts. The rest are good, if a bit maudlin.

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I like pretty much the whole album, and it contains my hands-down favourite 'Tangled Up in Blue'.

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The psycho-woman I had just started living with when this album came out remarked something to the effect that she wasn't aware he was still making music "since that Johnny Cash thing." Crazy bitch. I had just recently participated in the unraveling of my first marriage, so maybe this set of songs struck me through a commonality of circumstance, maybe not.

Seemingly simple words/phrases delivered so directly and raw:

I’m going out of my mind, oh, oh
With a pain that stops and starts


What is maudlin to some is a psychological hand grenade to others. The quality of the cutting room floor songs contained on Biograph speak pretty clearly to how strong the ones are that made the final release. Except for Buckets of Rain, which I always called Buckets of Shit.


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Before FemDerris I had two long term relationships. One was for 2+ years and the other was for 5 years. It's strange. When both ended I was surprisingly relieved. Both had seemed to run their course and it just wasn't working for whatever reason. After both relationships I quickly fell in with other women. Classic rebounds. I, of course, was not ready for this and I'm sure I acted like a freak and both quickly bailed. It was then that I became heartbroken, just devastated. Both times and for relationships that lasted maybe a month, two tops. I clearly hadn't dealt with things.

It was during both times that this record was a god send. For whatever it's original intention, "If You See Her Say Hello" was the most cathartic thing I'd ever heard. I must've listened to it 50 times in a 3 week period after that first relationship. The record is littered with heartbreak but that song in particular always was a dagger.

Still, all the talk about this being his break up record, it still works on a rock/pop level as well. I mean, "Tangled Up In Blue" might be the best single he put out since "Like A Rolling Stone"


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