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"Tangled Up In Blue" might be the best single he put out since "Like A Rolling Stone"


I just love how he switches up the perspective in the live versions, sung from a 3rd person perspective which totally changes the song, back to being Dylan The Observer.

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Before FemDerris I had two long term relationships. One was for 2+ years and the other was for 5 years. It's strange. When both ended I was surprisingly relieved. Both had seemed to run their course and it just wasn't working for whatever reason. After both relationships I quickly fell in with other women. Classic rebounds. I, of course, was not ready for this and I'm sure I acted like a freak and both quickly bailed. It was then that I became heartbroken, just devastated. Both times and for relationships that lasted maybe a month, two tops. I clearly hadn't dealt with things.

It was during both times that this record was a god send. For whatever it's original intention, "If You See Her Say Hello" was the most cathartic thing I'd ever heard. I must've listened to it 50 times in a 3 week period after that first relationship. The record is littered with heartbreak but that song in particular always was a dagger.

Still, all the talk about this being his break up record, it still works on a rock/pop level as well. I mean, "Tangled Up In Blue" might be the best single he put out since "Like A Rolling Stone"


Idiot Wind did it for me in a couple of those short termers, Derris.

And, yeah, listening to this, it's a very good rock/pop record that sounds amazing played LOUD.

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 Post subject: Re: The DJ and Gar Saga Continues-The Bob Dylan listening thread
PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 11:49 am 
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Idiot Wind also has this great line (among many in that one):

"You'll find out once you reach the top, you're on the bottom"


Also, I like how many casual fans find "Shelter From The Storm" a song about solace or a warm blanket from the world or something. It's a pretty bitter salvo to how things once so wonderful went to shit. At least that's my interpretation. I've heard some say it's about Vietnam. Some say it's about fame.

Doesn't really matter. His best work tends to do that.


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 Post subject: Re: The DJ and Gar Saga Continues-The Bob Dylan listening thread
PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 11:51 am 
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Also, in Lily, Rosemary, it helps to imagine the character "Big Jim" as the Big Jim (The Colonel) we all know and love...it makes a lot of sense, really.

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Meet Me In The Morning is a personal fave off this album I don't think gets mentioned a lot...so thought I'd mention it.


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At Gar's suggestion, here's the companion piece:

Blood on the Tapes
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What I love about "Tangled Up In Blue" and "Simple Twist of Fate" is that they are less great songs that I've listened to a million songs but moreso great movies that I've seen a million times.

I remember the first time I really "got" "Idiot Wind"...I think I immediately played it over and over a dozen times.

My favorite tune here has always been "You're A Big Girl" (with a preference towards the Biograph version). Every line is perfect.

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Wow, who knew you guys were all such delicate flowers? I've tried with this album many times over the years, but I just don't have the patience for it. Bobby Z had proven by this point that he was just another clueless fool, and the fact that he'd abandoned country and returned to rudimentary folk wasn't really any kind of victory to celebrate. Also, this album is one of those touchstones that has formed the current indieboy mindset, and for that alone it can go fuck itself.

I should stop listening from here on in, because I absolutely LOATHE Desire with every molecule of my being, but I have this perverse desire to finally hear Street Legal, if only for the horse laughs.


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Thanks for sharing some more perspective from the furthest nether regions of your colon. I think we all know a lot more about the view from in there than we ever needed to.


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Also, this album is one of those touchstones that has formed the current indieboy mindset, and for that alone it can go fuck itself.


When you say things like this, it proves what a fraud you really are. Congratulations, Dr. Never-Had-A-Clue.

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Drinky Wrote:
Thanks for sharing some more perspective from the furthest nether regions of your colon. I think we all know a lot more about the view from in there than we ever needed to.

Give me a shout the day you have anything interesting to say about anything. In the meantime, shouldn't you be busy handing out 7/10 ratings to EVERY piece of shit album ever ignored by sentient beings?


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Yail Bloor Wrote:
Radcliffe Wrote:
Also, this album is one of those touchstones that has formed the current indieboy mindset, and for that alone it can go fuck itself.


When you say things like this, it proves what a fraud you really are. Congratulations, Dr. Never-Had-A-Clue.

Hey, while we're on the subject of frauds, in which chapters of Ellroy or Thompson are the protagonists house-bound dads who think they're edgy by following someone else's script?


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Radcliffe Wrote:
Yail Bloor Wrote:
Radcliffe Wrote:
Also, this album is one of those touchstones that has formed the current indieboy mindset, and for that alone it can go fuck itself.


When you say things like this, it proves what a fraud you really are. Congratulations, Dr. Never-Had-A-Clue.

Hey, while we're on the subject of frauds, in which chapters of Ellroy or Thompson are the protagonists house-bound dads who think they're edgy by following someone else's script?


At least I'm honest about A. my influences and B. my station in life. You still live in the invisible enemy laden world of your high school parking lot.

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You still live in the invisible enemy laden world of your high school parking lot.

That's a good line, and I kind of wish it was true.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 1:37 pm 
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Radcliffe Wrote:
Drinky Wrote:
Thanks for sharing some more perspective from the furthest nether regions of your colon. I think we all know a lot more about the view from in there than we ever needed to.

Give me a shout the day you have anything interesting to say about anything. In the meantime, shouldn't you be busy handing out 7/10 ratings to EVERY piece of shit album ever ignored by sentient beings?


Way to lift an off-base insult straight from contradiction. Got anything of your own?

I think you're a little confused about what constitutes "interesting". Spewing the same hyperbolic, predictable vitriol over and over and over again against a continuously broadening array of music is far from interesting.


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threads getting good guys.


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DJ, thanks for Blood on the Tapes btw.


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 Post subject: Re: The DJ and Gar Saga Continues-The Bob Dylan listening thread
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I'm torn between my general disdain for the whole unearthing refuse from the vaults thing since usually people don't release things for a reason from what little of that sort of thing I've delved into and the fact that I really like the original album.


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I'm torn between my general disdain for the whole unearthing refuse from the vaults thing since usually people don't release things for a reason from what little of that sort of thing I've delved into and the fact that I really like the original album.


I think the main argument for the Blood On The Tapes version is that it is a little more -stripped down and hush-toned. I personally like the Tracks versions better for most of these, possibly because it was point of entry, but mostly because I like the faster pacing on the few songs and the pure vitriol on Idiot Wind that I think is missing from the Tapes version.

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I understand that you, of all people, know this crisis and, in your own way, are working to address it. You, the madras-pantsed julip-sipping Southern cracker and me, the oldman hippie California fruit cake are brothers in the struggle to save our country.

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Yeah, Tapes has always been a pleasant curiosity for me and nothing else.

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I'm sure I've listened to Blood on the Tracks more than any other Dylan album, it's just a phenomenal record even if it is a bit cheesy at times. The only song I don't really care for is Buckets of Rain but it's tolerable I guess.

Depending on my mood, this rivals Highway 61 and Blonde on Blonde as my favorite Bob album. I realize that makes me boring and pretty much just like everyone else when it comes to his stuff but I figure there's a reason these rise to the top for most.

I've brought this up before, but what really blows me away is how much better some of these tracks are live. The versions of Idiot Wind and Shelter From the Storm on Hard Rain are just awesome.

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Blood on the Tracks is not Dylan's best album, it is not my favorite or the one I respect the most. It is the one I listen to most. The songs wear well.

And, in my effort to journal my past in this digital fog, I note that when this came out I was pretty much over Dylan (although he had changed my life). I heard these songs, but it was only until the late 70's that I thought to listen more carefully, and then once, in a moment of hurt, I heard these songs as if for the first time in the early 90's.

The songs, his voice, the subtext, the simple instrumentation are among the least affected of all Dylan's work. His voice especially is more vulnerable than ever before or since. His anger isn't political, it's personal, and he's exposing himself.

And Rads should love this album based on some of the other music he likes. He's merely being contrary for artistic impact... like Dylan.

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If Blood on the Tracks was an unapologetically intimate affair, Desire is unwieldy and messy, the deliberate work of a collective. And while Bob Dylan directly addresses his crumbling relationship with his wife, Sara, on the final track, Desire is hardly as personal as its predecessor, finding Dylan returning to topical songwriting and folk tales for the core of the record. It's all over the map, as far as songwriting goes, and so is it musically, capturing Dylan at the beginning of the Rolling Thunder Revue era, which was more notable for its chaos than its music. And, so it's only fitting that Desire fits that description as well, as it careens between surging folk-rock, Mideastern dirges, skipping pop, and epic narratives. It's little surprise that Desire doesn't quite gel, yet it retains its own character — really, there's no other place where Dylan tried as many different styles, as many weird detours, as he does here. And, there's something to be said for its rambling, sprawling character, which has a charm of its own. Even so, the record would have been assisted by a more consistent set of songs; there are some masterpieces here, though: "Hurricane" is the best-known, but the effervescent "Mozambique" is Dylan at his breeziest, "Sara" at his most nakedly emotional, and "Isis" is one of his very best songs of the '70s, a hypnotic, contemporized spin on a classic fable. This may not add up to a masterpiece, but it does result in one of his most fascinating records of the '70s and '80s — more intriguing, lyrically and musically, than most of his latter-day affairs.

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For quite a few years, I went around saying that "Abandoned Love" was my favorite Dylan tune. The fact that he put a turd burger like "Joey" on this album over it speaks volumes.

At any rate, "Hurricane" still kicks all kinds of ass and I'm sort of looking forward to listening to the rest since I haven't done so in a few years.

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This is a pretty good album, even if it's not a cohesive document.

I really like Hurricane, can take or leave Isis, Mozambique is a nice little ditty, One More Cup of Coffee is KICK ASS, and the Budokan version might be my favorite. I despise Oh, Sister - it might be the worst song in his entire ouevre. Romance in Durango at any given point can be pointed to as my favorite Dylan song, especially of the 1970s. And, I am probably one of the only fans of Sara. Something about the heartfelt pleading for something beautiful that was lost gets to me.

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