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what dalen said


also, in the top three would be


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my god, my sister used to have every Maiden, AC/DC, and KISS record in her room, and when she went to college I used to go listen to them on her player. Haven't seen these covers in forever. Instant flashback.

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well, yeah, she left her records and her stereo.

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Cap'n Squirrgle Wrote:
south pacific Wrote:
what dalen said


also, in the top three would be


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my god, my sister used to have every Maiden, AC/DC, and KISS record in her room, and when she went to college I used to go listen to them on her player. Haven't seen these covers in forever. Instant flashback.


I used to hook up with girls like your sister alllllll the time.

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I used to hook up with girls like your sister alllllll the time.

"Wait, lemme put on The Trooper before you suck it!"



That Uriah Heep business really shook you up, huh?

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huh? i said like your sister, not that it was.


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 Post subject: Re: OBNER METAL THREAD!
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I didn't know where to put this, but this seemed as good a place as any:

http://www.invisibleoranges.com/2010/07/very-long-discographies-true-or-false/

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Why do bands compile long discographies? By long, I don’t mean, say, 10 full-lengths, a typical figure for a long-running band. I mean the ridiculous triple-digit numbers that bands put up these days.

The Encyclopaedia Metallum Discordance has a sorting filter called “Bands by Release Count”. It shows that Deep Purple has the most releases of any “metal” band, with 221. Agathocles is second with 193, while Motörhead is third with 161. Releases include everything discrete that a band puts out: demos, singles, splits, albums.

Major label bands like Metallica and Iron Maiden compile long discographies because several singles typically accompany each album. Add cash cows like compilations and live albums, and it’s unsurprising that big names put up big numbers discography-wise.

But for underground bands, such numbers baffle me. If releases come out in response to demand, where is the demand for 193 Agathocles releases? Are people actually collecting them all? Can they tell the releases apart? Could the band remember enough songs to take requests live? Why do 193 Agathocles releases even exist?

Perhaps a more interesting measure than sheer length of discography is the length of discography over time. Longer-running bands naturally have more chances to amass a discography. But which ones are cranking them out like Catholic babies?

Using the Discordance’s list, I divided the number of releases by the number of years that a band has been in existence. I’ll call the result “prolificness”. Below are the 10 most prolific “metal” bands. The first number is the number of releases, the second is the number of years in existence, and the third is their quotient, average releases per year.

1. Zarach ‘Baal’ Tharagh: 125/10 = 12.5
2. Senmuth: 75/6 = 12.4
3. Akromusto: 47/6 = 7.83
4. Njiqahdda: 39/5 = 7.8
5. Agathocles: 193/25 = 7.72
6. Uruk-Hai: 79/11 = 7.18
7. Unholy Grave: 120/17 = 7.06
8. Heirdrain: 53/8 = 6.63
9. Melvins: 108/17 = 6.35
10. Nadja: 49/8 = 6.13

The trends are clear. Two bands are grindcore (Agathocles, Unholy Grave), while the rest are one- and two-person bands that play mostly ambient metal. The one exception is Melvins, whose eternal job is to be the exception.

Several conclusions are easy to draw. First, one- and two-person bands don’t have the checks and balances of normal bands. No one else is there to tell them their stuff sucks. So they release everything. With recording technology so cheap these days, it’s easy to press up 50 CD-R’s of a demo. Second, ambient sounds and lo-fi black metal and grindcore are probably too easy to make. You don’t see death or thrash metal bands racking up huge discographies. (Except for Nunslaughter – can anyone tell their 105 releases apart?) Finally, of these prolific artists, arguably none are “real” metal. Perhaps “real” metal does not lend itself to pumping out product.

As an editor of writers (including myself), I understand the inability of artists to self-edit. However, I don’t understand why fans indulge such behavior. When Justin Broadrick flooded the market with Jesu EP’s and splits, people still bought them, even though they were thin on ideas and inspiration. Why do people obsess over demos and splits today? Twenty years ago, demos or splits might have been valid artistic statements. But today there are so many that say so little that I can’t help but see a baseball card-type of collect-them-all mentality at work.

From a market standpoint, this is fine. If artists put out crap, and people still buy it, who am I to care? But from an artistic standpoint, prolificness is terrible. The market is over-saturated, artists lose mystique because they’re never “away”, and bands forsake significant artistic statements in favor of drips and drabs.

Playing devil’s advocate to what I’ve said, however, I can see reasons for drips and drabs. Artistically, the EP is a good format for bands to explore ideas that might not be appropriate for a full-length. Financially, drips and drabs might be better ways to sell albums nowadays. If you have 10 songs that you want to sell for $10, people are more likely to buy them if they come in two packets of 5 songs for $5. Even though the total price is the same, psychologically $5 is less menacing than $10. And if you break up the 10 songs into three 7″s, call them Parts 1, 2, and 3, and give each 7″ a different vinyl color – people will climb over each other to collect them all.

One’s views on this might depend on one’s age. I grew up with albums, so those will always be the measures of bands to me. My favorite bands don’t have very long discographies because they collect their songs onto albums. Kids today pull music from everywhere – an iTunes single here, a blogspot download there. Their hard drives are wild assortments of folders, bitrates, and ID3 tags. This is distasteful to me, but maybe it doesn’t matter. Is the music good or not? That’s probably the only question I should be asking.


This is something I've noticed with a lot of metal bands, particularly as was mentioned the ambient metal/intellimetal genres.

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south pacific Wrote:
I'm kinda bored so I'm going to pull out my Iron Maiden album ranking here:


1. Piece of Mind (1983)
2. The Number of the Beast (1982)
3. Powerslave (1984)
4. Killers (1981)
5. Iron Maiden (1980)
6. Live After Death (1985)
7. Somewhere In Time (1986)
8. A Matter of Life and Death (2006) ---> great comeback album
9. Seventh Son Of a Seventh Son (1988)

--------------------- the infernal line of meh (do not cross) ----------------------------

10. 2003: Dance of Death
11. 1990: No Prayer for the Dying
12. 1992: Fear of the Dark
13. 1995: The X Factor
14. 1998: Virtual XI
15. 2000: Brave New World



Brave New World would be in my top 3 fave Maiden records....Powerslave and Number of the Beast being the other two faves...

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One of the best stoner/doom albums i've heard in awhile.

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The Sword - Warp Riders - 2010

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Not sure why that space ship is flying between the two giant walnuts, but I LOVE that album cover. Metal should embrace retro space sci-fi more. Like Slough Feg's Hardworlder cover.


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Ridiculously simple, but still my favorite Priest song...



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One of the best stoner/doom albums i've heard in awhile.

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Agreed. This is the type of music I hurt my ears with in the car. Thx


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Dalen Wrote:
One of the best stoner/doom albums i've heard in awhile.

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Agreed. This is the type of music I hurt my ears with in the car. Thx


yeah, great driving album for sure.


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The Sword - Warp Riders - 2010

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Ha! Much better than I expected. Thx again D.


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A few recent favs.

Forthcoming album from Swedish band Stench (features Tribulation members).

Fans of Tribulation, Dissection, Repugnant definitely check this out.

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Brand new 2nd full length album from Hail Of Bullets, out in October!

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Brand new EP from Autopsy, and it fucking RULES.

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nice, on the HOB...sweet!


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what do they sound like?


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pagan folk

neurosis and death in june meet old shrill black metal (when they get heavy)

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Agalloch rules...

new album in October.

def. worth hearing...

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