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Actually I'd forgotten how much I hate 'They Killed Him'. Practically Saved level shitty. I hate gospel choirs but children's choirs? Paging Otis.

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"They Killed Him" sounds like it would have stolen the show at Live Aid.

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"They Killed Him" sounds like it would have stolen the show at Live Aid.


oh yes. What did you think on your first listen? It's not a great album by any stretch, but I like the opening and closing tracks a lot, plus 'Brownsville Girl'. Fucking bizarre that he co-wrote that with Sam Shepard.

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This album has some riffage that reminds me of what Richards/Jagger/Woods were throwing out at the same time. "Maybe Someday" would be right at home on Dirty Work

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"They Killed Him" sounds like it would have stolen the show at Live Aid.


oh yes. What did you think on your first listen? It's not a great album by any stretch, but I like the opening and closing tracks a lot, plus 'Brownsville Girl'. Fucking bizarre that he co-wrote that with Sam Shepard.


I got bogged down this AM so this my first listen. Honestly, I don't think the production is as bad as Empire even though it's stretching my limits on the gospel choir.

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Just for fun I looked up what the Rolling Stone top albums were in '86...

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• Graceland - Paul Simon

Runners Up

• So - Peter Gabriel
• Bruce Springsteen And The E Street Band Live/1975-85 - Bruce Springsteen And The E Street Band
• True Stories - Talking Heads
• Strong Persuader - The Robert Cray Band
• Raising Hell - Run DMC/Life's Rich Pageant - R.E.M. (Tie)


I mean, there's a couple of good albums in there but one of them is a live comp. I think I probably would have played "Brownsville Girl" a lot if I had been into this in '86. There wasn't a whole lot of stiff competition in the mainstream rock arena.

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Yail Bloor Wrote:
Just for fun I looked up what the Rolling Stone top albums were in '86...

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• Graceland - Paul Simon

Runners Up

• So - Peter Gabriel
• Bruce Springsteen And The E Street Band Live/1975-85 - Bruce Springsteen And The E Street Band
• True Stories - Talking Heads
• Strong Persuader - The Robert Cray Band
• Raising Hell - Run DMC/Life's Rich Pageant - R.E.M. (Tie)


I mean, there's a couple of good albums in there but one of them is a live comp. I think I probably would have played "Brownsville Girl" a lot if I had been into this in '86. There wasn't a whole lot of stiff competition in the mainstream rock arena.


Well, I'd probably reach for the Talking Heads thing rather than this Dylan outing, and I am NO fan of Talking Heads, even a little bit. The choice of the bottom place tie entries vs. Knocked Out would make me rapidly find someone to knock ME out. The Bruce entry you've covered for me, but it would, and has, had plenty of play over the years. I like So a lot, and even occasionally still play Strong Persuader, and make no apologies for my high regard of Graceland. So, summing up, fuck this album


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Brownsville is killer. Great song. They Killed Him was written by Kristofferson, and Bloor's right it woulda killed at Live Aid, or that Mellencamp Farm thingy.

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Or an album put together by a friend of ours, Little Steven called Artists Against Apatheid

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Or an album put together by a friend of ours, Little Steven called Artists Against Apatheid


Yeah, but you and i would certainly have played Sun City :)

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Or an album put together by a friend of ours, Little Steven called Artists Against Apatheid


Yeah, but you and i would certainly have played Sun City :)


Yeah, we would have. Us and Ronnie Raygun. Big stars. Headliners.

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Or an album put together by a friend of ours, Little Steven called []iArtists Against Apatheid[/i]


Yeah, but you and i would certainly have played Sun City :)


Yeah, we would have. Us and Ronnie Raygun. Big stars. Headliners.

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If the diffuseness of Knocked Out Loaded was excusable due to its collaborators and various recording sessions, Down in the Groove has less of an excuse, since it's relatively from the same time period, even if it's culled from several different sessions with several different backing band. Nevertheless, the main difference is that, while Knocked Out Loaded was ambitious, this is positively unassuming, at best hoping to capture the mellow roots rock of the Grateful Dead (which it does, on Dylan's irresistible collaborations with Robert Hunter, "Ugliest Girl in the World" and "Silvio"). The rest of the record strolls through covers with amiable ease, whether he's backed by ex-punks or lifetime pros. That may not make for a great record by any stretch, but it's a rather ingratiating one, a little more focused than Knocked Out Loaded and a little looser and funkier than Empire Burlesque. Actually, not as heavy on great moments as either (especially Burlesque), but it's still rather nice in its low-key way

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Another one I've never heard but I have always liked "Silvio" (an underrated star of BDGH Vol. 3) so there's that. (I was going to say that I was cautiously optimistic but that would be a lie)

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I've never even heard of this album, much less heard it.


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Another one I've never heard but I have always liked "Silvio" (an underrated star of BDGH Vol. 3) so there's that. (I was going to say that I was cautiously optimistic but that would be a lie)


The one thing this experiment is teaching me is that whoever put Vol 3 together did a masterful job of including THE ONLY LISTENABLE SONGS from these albums. And it's not really like they are diamonds in the rough, it's more like a pellet of corn in shit, or re-cookable beans blasted out by someone with disentery.

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I've never even heard of this album, much less heard it.


Yeah, I didn't even know these last two existed.


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I'd forgotten how middling Groove actually was; my mood went from cranky to full-on pissed. At least we get Oh Mercy tomorrow.

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"When Did You Leave Heaven" and "Death Is Not The End" are particularly abominable.

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Granted this is some serious grading on a curve, but I'm actually ok with all of the odd numbered songs here.

The even's I'm going to pretend I never heard.

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Granted this is some serious grading on a curve, but I'm actually ok with all of the odd numbered songs here.

The even's I'm going to pretend I never heard.


I'm surprised there isn't more of a Jeff Lynne vibe on here. I wonder if he could have turned some of these shitty songs from the last few albums into some kind of Full Moon Fever.

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I'm surprised there isn't more of a Jeff Lynne vibe on here. I wonder if he could have turned some of these shitty songs from the last few albums into some kind of Full Moon Fever.


I think it's a comparison of apples and bird turds: Petty's two albums before Full Moon went platinum and had some really great songs (including "Jamming Me" that was cowritten with Dylan) and his career in general was on a bit of an uptick...Dylan's, not so much.

Plus, even if Dylan had showed up at the studio with a batch of songs as good as Full Moon and agreed to to turn over control to Lynne, it still would have ended up sucking because he would NEVER give up control and would do shit to sabotage the songs. (a theme we will be visiting tmrw. with Oh Mercy)

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Oh Mercy was hailed as a comeback, not just because it had songs noticeably more meaningful than anything Bob Dylan had recently released, but because Daniel Lanois' production gave it cohesion. There was cohesion on Empire Burlesque, of course, but that cohesion was a little too slick, a little too commercial, whereas this record was filled with atmospheric, hazy production -- a sound as arty as most assumed the songs to be. And Dylan followed suit, giving Lanois significant songs -- palpably social works, love songs, and poems -- that seemed to connect with his past. And, at the time, this production made it seem like the equivalent of his '60s records, meaning that its artiness was cutting edge, not portentous. Over the years, Oh Mercy hasn't aged particularly well, seeming as self-conscious as such other gauzy Lanois productions as So and The Joshua Tree, even though it makes more sense than the ersatz pizzazz of Burlesque. Still, the songs make Oh Mercy noteworthy; they find Dylan quietly raging against the materialism of President Reagan and accepting maturity, albeit with a slight reluctance. So, Oh Mercy is finally more interesting for what it tries to achieve than for what it actually does achieve. At its best, this is a collection of small, shining moments, with the best songs shining brighter than their production or the album's overall effect.

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This is far and away my favourite late-period Dylan album.

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Dignity, Series of Dreams...that review should probably say something about the cocaine era finally waning, and people no longer thinking those big spacious studio drums and high shoulder padded blazers were good ideas.

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