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 Post subject: Re: The DJ and Gar Saga Continues-The Bob Dylan listening thread
PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 9:35 am 
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Dignity, Series of Dreams...that review should probably say something about the cocaine era finally waning, and people no longer thinking those big spacious studio drums and high shoulder padded blazers were good ideas.


Also funny that Neil Young cuts his "comeback" album Freedom the same year.

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 Post subject: Re: The DJ and Gar Saga Continues-The Bob Dylan listening thread
PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:29 am 
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What's funny too is that as critical as Dylan has been of his experience recording this album with Lanois (I swear 3/4 of Bob Dylan Chronicles was about it), it's pretty much the Genesis of the sound that he and his touring band have been playing for the last 20 years.

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What's funny too is that as critical as Dylan has been of his experience recording this album with Lanois (I swear 3/4 of Bob Dylan Chronicles was about it), it's pretty much the Genesis of the sound that he and his touring band have been playing for the last 20 years.


I really wish he would have cut that 20 verse 'Political World'.

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 Post subject: Re: The DJ and Gar Saga Continues-The Bob Dylan listening thread
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Amazon and Bobdylan.com both have pre-orders up for the cd and vinyl versions of Witmark and Mono sets. Wish the vinyl wasn't so expensive. $120/Witmark, $250/Mono set.

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Amazon and Bobdylan.com both have pre-orders up for the cd and vinyl versions of Witmark and Mono sets. Wish the vinyl wasn't so expensive. $120/Witmark, $250/Mono set.


Sounds like a good xmas present.

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I'll be interested to hear what the mono boxset sounds like. I have all the albums that will be in it on vinyl already. What piqued my interest was that they were mastered from original issue LPs so that they have the same sound as the aforementioned releases.

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 Post subject: Re: The DJ and Gar Saga Continues-The Bob Dylan listening thread
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I've really enjoyed giving Oh Mercy a couple of spins (I'll even give it the dreaded "Best Dylan since Blood On The Tracks designation)

I don't think the production sounds dated at all. (I actually think Lanois stuff in general holds up pretty well.) Shit, compare Willie Nelson's version of "What Was It You Wanted" from 1993 but produced by Don Was--I think I'll always prefer Willie's version but THAT shit sounds dated.

Like contradiction, I'm something of an aficionado of Dylan's MTV Unplugged and I much prefer the versions of "Shooting Star" and "Dignity" (not on the album, of course, but from the sessions) from that show, but "Shooting Star" and pretty much everything here works for me.

Yep, this one is a keeper.

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Yail Bloor Wrote:
I've really enjoyed giving Oh Mercy a couple of spins (I'll even give it the dreaded "Best Dylan since Blood On The Tracks designation)

I don't think the production sounds dated at all. (I actually think Lanois stuff in general holds up pretty well.) Shit, compare Willie Nelson's version of "What Was It You Wanted" from 1993 but produced by Don Was--I think I'll always prefer Willie's version but THAT shit sounds dated.

Like contradiction, I'm something of an aficionado of Dylan's MTV Unplugged and I much prefer the versions of "Shooting Star" and "Dignity" (not on the album, of course, but from the sessions) from that show, but "Shooting Star" and pretty much everything here works for me.

Yep, this one is a keeper.


Agree on all counts here (that reviewer obviously is no Lanois fan, I don't know what the fuck he's talking about), it's actually one of my favourite "road" Dylan records too.

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Dylan followed Oh Mercy, his most critically acclaimed album in years, with Under the Red Sky, a record that seemed like a conscious recoil from that album's depth and atmosphere. By signing Don Was, the king of mature retro-rock, as producer, he guaranteed that the record would be lean and direct, which is perhaps exactly what this collection of simplistic songs deserves. Still, this record feels a little ephemeral, a collection of songs that Dylan didn't really care that much about. In a way, that makes it a little easier to warm to than its predecessor, since it has a looseness that suits him well, especially with songs this deliberately lightweight. As such, Under the Red Sky is certainly lightweight, but rather appealing in its own lack of substance, since Dylan has never made a record so breezy, apart from (maybe) Down in the Groove. That doesn't make it a great, or even good, record, but it does have its own charms that will be worth searching out for Dylanphiles.

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Don Was: The Most Reviled Producer Ever?

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I think I bought this one used and sold it back at a loss the next day.

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Don Was: The Most Reviled Producer Ever?

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A quick glance at his resume and I'll say that his best work was putting together Greatest Hits Comps.

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 Post subject: Re: The DJ and Gar Saga Continues-The Bob Dylan listening thread
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"Unbelievable and "Handy Dandy" are pretty good here, but the rest is just background music. Nothing shockingly bad, but nothing that great either.

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The saddest thing to realize here is that he was putting out albums every other year at this point, and they all SUCKED. Like, he could have held back a little and put out something not completely embarrassing.

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The saddest thing to realize here is that he was putting out albums every other year at this point, and they all SUCKED. Like, he could have held back a little and put out something not completely embarrassing.


This really is interesting to me. I always thought of the 80s and 90s as decades where he just wasn't very prolific but this has made me realize that, for the 80's at least, this isn't true at all. He was just putting out really bad music.

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Given the acclaim of The Bootleg Series and the perceived disappointment of Under the Red Sky, it seemed like it was time for Dylan to bounce back with a convincing album of original material. Instead, he delivered a record of folk songs, his first straight covers album ever, not to mention his first guitar, harmonica, and voice record since the early '60s. That alone would make it an anomaly, but Good as I Been to You is more than that, because it's a really good traditional folk album, having just enough familiar tunes — "Frankie and Albert," "Blackjack Davey," "Sitting on Top of the World," "Froggie Went A-Courtin'" — to provide an entryway to the less familiar numbers, which are delivered equally well. Yes, this could be seen as a rather unassuming record, but that's what's special about it. In 1992, not even folksingers were working with this material, but Dylan did, reviving folk's (and rock's) ties to the past at an unexpected time and with unexpectedly strong results. A minor high point in his catalog.

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 Post subject: Re: The DJ and Gar Saga Continues-The Bob Dylan listening thread
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I don't think I've ever heard this.

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What the fuck is his obsession with Froggie Went a Courtin? I don't know if I can handle much more of this.

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What the fuck is his obsession with Froggie Went a Courtin? I don't know if I can handle much more of this.


Your hatred for that song is only exceeded by my hatred for you for screaming the Georgia Tech fight song in my ear all the way home from that Springsteen show where he closed with "American Land" :lol:

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Senator Lou Garra Wrote:
What the fuck is his obsession with Froggie Went a Courtin? I don't know if I can handle much more of this.


This was the single reason I never wanted to hear this album.

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Oh Mercy is much better than I remember. Several great songs and I like the sound, although I don't quite get the "this is the foundation for the live Dylan sound" since then. Lanois is not Charlie Sexton, and there have been a variety of "live Dylans" since 1990.

"Under" is unlistenable.

"Good" probably is fine but reminds me I really don't need to spend that much time listening to straight folk.

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I'm not minding Good... half as much as I thought I would and can honestly say that some of it is pretty alright. The bad ("Arthur McBride"--come the fuck on dude) is treacherous.

By the way, we've reached that point in Dylan history where I can remember being in high school, being a Dylan fan for sure, but not even being really aware of what he was up to, but sort of being excited to see him play on the Letterman 10th anniversary special (which, if I remember right was pretty fucking great, maybe Dave at his peak) Then this came on:



I remember my mom and I both had looks somewhere between shock, horror and amusement.

This was the low point, right? Because I saw him after this and he had kinda figured out how to sing differently and all that.

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I remember this one very clearly.


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