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Not sure. Do you usually start the post-studio recordings with the earliest bootlegs or official live recordings?

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:06 pm 
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Not sure. Do you usually start the post-studio recordings with the earliest bootlegs or official live recordings?

Shut up.

Let's do Live albums chronologically, the bootleg series in order by release.

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 Post subject: Re: The DJ and Gar Saga Continues-The Bob Dylan listening thread
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Not sure. Do you usually start the post-studio recordings with the earliest bootlegs or official live recordings?

Shut up.

Let's do Live albums chronologically, the bootleg series in order by release.


I think if we were doing regular bootlegs, we never would have gotten out of the Dick's Picks thread alive. Sticking with the "official" live and then the Bootleg series is the only reasonable course of action here. I'll put up Before the Flood in the AM.

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 Post subject: Re: The DJ and Gar Saga Continues-The Bob Dylan listening thread
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Bob Dylan and the Band both needed the celebrated reunion tour of 1974, since Dylan's fortunes had been floundering since Self Portrait and the Band stumbled with 1971's Cahoots. The tour, with its attendant publicity, definitely returned both artists to center stage, and it definitely succeeded, breaking box office records and earning great reviews. Before the Flood, a double-album souvenir of the tour, suggests that these were generally dynamic shows, but not because they were reveling in the past, but because Dylan was fighting the nostalgia of his audience — nostalgia, it must be noted, that was promoted as the very reason behind these shows. Yet that's what gives this music such kick — Dylan reworks, rearranges, reinterprets these songs in ways that are still disarming, years after its initial release. He could only have performed interpretations this radical with a group as sympathetic, knowing of his traits as the band, whose own recordings here are respites from the storm. And this is a storm — the sound of a great rocker, surprising his band and audience by tearing through his greatest songs in a manner that might not be comforting, but it guarantees it to be one of the best live albums of its time. Ever, maybe.

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 Post subject: Re: The DJ and Gar Saga Continues-The Bob Dylan listening thread
PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 9:16 am 
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Not sure. Do you usually start the post-studio recordings with the earliest bootlegs or official live recordings?

Shut up.

Let's do Live albums chronologically, the bootleg series in order by release.


I think if we were doing regular bootlegs, we never would have gotten out of the Dick's Picks thread alive. Sticking with the "official" live and then the Bootleg series is the only reasonable course of action here. I'll put up Before the Flood in the AM.

Right - albums that saw official releases.

Before The Flood is a monster, and depending on the day, I reach for this more often than The Last Waltz.

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 Post subject: Re: The DJ and Gar Saga Continues-The Bob Dylan listening thread
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I actually meant the officially released bootlegs. I'd never want to go through all the unofficial stuff, we'd never be done with this exercise.

Looking forward to Before the Flood as I've never actually heard it. The only live Dylan records I've heard are the Bootleg Series, Hard Rain and Dylan and the Dead.

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 Post subject: Re: The DJ and Gar Saga Continues-The Bob Dylan listening thread
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The only live Dylan records I've heard are the Bootleg Series, Hard Rain and Dylan and the Dead.


You poor, poor soul. These suck so bad I might not even download them...(who am I kidding?)

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Lyle Evans LooGAR Wrote:
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The only live Dylan records I've heard are the Bootleg Series, Hard Rain and Dylan and the Dead.


You poor, poor soul. These suck so bad I might not even download them...(who am I kidding?)


Dylan and the Dead is like bad granny porn. You get it up and want to jack it, but you feel fucking horrible afterwards.

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 Post subject: Re: The DJ and Gar Saga Continues-The Bob Dylan listening thread
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Dylan and the Dead is terrible. I love Hard Rain, though.

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 Post subject: Re: The DJ and Gar Saga Continues-The Bob Dylan listening thread
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I've managed to avoid listening to Dylan and the Dead since roughly 1992 when somebody tried to pass it off as "good".

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 Post subject: Re: The DJ and Gar Saga Continues-The Bob Dylan listening thread
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In this episode, Bob Dylan adds "Inventing the Greatest Hits Cash Grab Tour" to his long and storied history.

I think I'm less a fan of this album than a lot of people. The sequencing has always been weird, none of the Bob songs from the first disc, aside from "Most Likely You Go Your Way..." which may be the best thing on the whole album (Levon's drumming is so good) are very good and oh yeah, Garth Hudson's synthesizer is annoying as fuck.

But, the acoustic stuff is great and when Bob really bares down ("Like A Rolling Stone") it feels alright. I bet this was fun for kids who missed Dylan in the 60's.

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It's a good listen, but I just never reach for this over the Last Waltz.

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It's a good listen, but I just never reach for this over the Last Waltz.


Well yeah, but I don't really consider that a live album per se thanks to all the (alleged) overdubbing, sweetening and other Hollywood trickerization that went on.

I should amend my remarks from above: I was only focused on the Dylan songs. The Band is mostly good on their stuff.

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It's a good listen, but I just never reach for this over the Last Waltz.


Well yeah, but I don't really consider that a live album per se thanks to all the (alleged) overdubbing, sweetening and other Hollywood trickerization that went on.

I should amend my remarks from above: I was only focused on the Dylan songs. The Band is mostly good on their stuff.


I'm not gonna quibble over those little things. Europe '72 is still live to me.

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 Post subject: Re: The DJ and Gar Saga Continues-The Bob Dylan listening thread
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It's a good listen, but I just never reach for this over the Last Waltz.


Well yeah, but I don't really consider that a live album per se thanks to all the (alleged) overdubbing, sweetening and other Hollywood trickerization that went on.

I should amend my remarks from above: I was only focused on the Dylan songs. The Band is mostly good on their stuff.


I'm not gonna quibble over those little things. Europe '72 is still live to me.


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 Post subject: Re: The DJ and Gar Saga Continues-The Bob Dylan listening thread
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Hard Rain is a snapshot of Bob Dylan's fabled Rolling Thunder Revue, a traveling circus that was more notable for its excess and character than the music. Hard Rain bears this out, being neither as sacrilegious or as exciting as Blood on the Tracks, and never seeming necessary — after all, it arrives just two years after the last live album. There are some new interpretations along the lines of what appeared on Before the Flood, but this lacks kinetic energy, rolling along on its own sense of inevitably. That's not to say there isn't good material tucked away here, as a few of the new versions hit home and Dylan is generally spirited throughout, but ultimately, this remains the province of the dedicated.

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 Post subject: Re: The DJ and Gar Saga Continues-The Bob Dylan listening thread
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...the province of the dedicated.


Are they talking about the album or this thread?

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 Post subject: Re: The DJ and Gar Saga Continues-The Bob Dylan listening thread
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Dylan and the Dead is like bad granny porn. You get it up and want to jack it, but you feel fucking horrible afterwards.


At this late stage I'm sure it's hard work making this thread readable for people who aren't participating, but you seem to be up to the challenge.


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I could take or leave Before the Flood. Some interesting takes on the classics but nothing that really blew me away or anything.

I really enjoy Hard Rain and I know I'm in the minority on that. I love the versions of Stuck Inside Of Mobile..., Shelter From the Storm, and I Threw It All Away and I actually prefer this version of Idiot Wind to the studio version.

It's not without fault, by any means. Lay Lady Lay is atrocious and You're a Big Girl Now isn't very good. Plus, a 9-song live album is really pretty pointless.

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 Post subject: Re: The DJ and Gar Saga Continues-The Bob Dylan listening thread
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I agree with pretty much everything that andyfest had to say except that I actually liked "You're A Big Girl Now"...I guess the 9 song thing is because there was an accompanying TV special but still, too short.

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I guess the 9 song thing is because there was an accompanying TV special but still, too short.


Huh, I didn't realize that. Definitely helps explain the 9 song length and the purpose behind releasing another live album so soon after Before the Flood. I may have to find that video and check it out...

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I didn't get to Hard Rain today so I guess it's that and Budakon tomorrow. Probably gonna unbuckle the seatbelt and drive into traffic before work.

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On his third live album in a mere five years, Bob Dylan brings the big, professional showmanship of Street Legal to the stage, recasting recent and classic favorites into that album's image — and, he does that over the course of two albums, no less. It's a bit much, even for the diehards, even if moments work pretty well. Nevertheless, those moments work because of pizzazz, although those are the very moments that will make most long-term Dylan fans bristle. Which, of course, raises the question — who is this for? The dedicated aren't going to be dazzled by the slickness and the casual fans certainly aren't going to pay much attention to a live album from 1978. Interesting historically, perhaps, but only marginally.

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Which, of course, raises the question — who is this for?


Me. I'm a big fan of this schmaltz fest.

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Which, of course, raises the question — who is this for?


Me. I'm a big fan of this schmaltz fest.


Yeah you and Gar have always raved about this. Frankly it's been years since I've played it, so I'm "looking forward to it."

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