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I guess the 9 song thing is because there was an accompanying TV special but still, too short.


Huh, I didn't realize that. Definitely helps explain the 9 song length and the purpose behind releasing another live album so soon after Before the Flood. I may have to find that video and check it out...


I may be wrong but I think it's about to be released on DVD.

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...and oh yeah, Garth Hudson's synthesizer is annoying as fuck.


I was thinking that during 'All Along the Watchtower' he was treading dangerously close to porn soundtrack.

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 Post subject: Re: The DJ and Gar Saga Continues-The Bob Dylan listening thread
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Listening to Hard Rain now. I love hearing that trisomy case scream at Dylan "LAY LADY LAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Who the fuck would want to hear it that bad?

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Maybe it's because I feel like a real piece of shit today, but I fucking fell in love with Hard Rain, particularly the 11 min or so 'Idiot Wind'. I played it twice through.

I don't know about Budokan though. This flute...

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Maybe it's because I feel like a real piece of shit today, but I fucking fell in love with Hard Rain, particularly the 11 min or so 'Idiot Wind'. I played it twice through.

I don't know about Budokan though. This flute...


Oh, it's HORRIBLE faux reggae vibe is not for everyone, but believe it or not, this was the album that really got me hooked on Dylan.

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Maybe it's because I feel like a real piece of shit today, but I fucking fell in love with Hard Rain, particularly the 11 min or so 'Idiot Wind'. I played it twice through.



It really is great and makes Hard Rain owning if just for that song. With the exception of a couple tracks, I just feel like there's real passion and anger in Bob's voice which I don't hear in most of his live stuff. I think that's why I like HR so much.

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 Post subject: Re: The DJ and Gar Saga Continues-The Bob Dylan listening thread
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It may be his first live album in six years, but Real Live still is his fourth live album in ten years, and, as such, it still feels a little redundant. Nevertheless, it doesn't feel anywhere nearly as unnecessary as At Budokan and if it doesn't capture a historically significant tour, as Hard Rain did with the Rolling Thunder Revue, this is a better record all the same, capturing a working band — a working band featuring ex-Stones guitarist Mick Taylor, no less — on a pretty good night. That means there are few revelations — though diehards will certainly revel in "Tangled Up in Blue," which has several brand-new (not necessarily better) verses — but it's still pretty good all the same, providing lean, relatively muscular renditions of Dylan's great songs. This isn't an important, necessary Dylan record, but it's a good, solid live album, his best live album since Before the Flood, even if it's hardly as monumental as that.

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 Post subject: Re: The DJ and Gar Saga Continues-The Bob Dylan listening thread
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Please, God- make it stop.


Wait until we do our Emerson, Lake and Palmer thread.

For the record, I really have no desire to hear this album but am going through with it for the sake of art and science. In a way, I'm a hero of sorts.

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 Post subject: Re: The DJ and Gar Saga Continues-The Bob Dylan listening thread
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For the record, I really have no desire to hear this album but am going through with it for the sake of art and science. In a way, I'm a hero of sorts.


Really? I'm genuinely excited about it.

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Please, God- make it stop.


Wait until we do our Emerson, Lake and Palmer thread.


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 Post subject: Re: The DJ and Gar Saga Continues-The Bob Dylan listening thread
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DumpJack Wrote:

For the record, I really have no desire to hear this album but am going through with it for the sake of art and science. In a way, I'm a hero of sorts.


Really? I'm genuinely excited about it.


I remember buying this in HS and hating it. I doubt that's changed, but we'll see.

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Given that Ian McLagan and Mick Taylor are around, this should be a lot better than it is; and actually, they are mostly fine, it's Dylan that's mostly not.

Exhibit A: "Tangled Up In Blue", a solo Dylan performance, was the only song I couldn't make it through. Just dreadful.

I did like "Highway 61", "Ballad of A Thin Man" and even "I And I" quite a bit and a few others a little less, but overall this is a shit sandwich.

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this album has me thinking of my favorite quote from the thread . . .

"Nobody does a funnier Bob Dylan impression than Bob Dylan."

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 Post subject: Re: The DJ and Gar Saga Continues-The Bob Dylan listening thread
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Fuck yeah. I may listen to nothing else but this today.

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Quite possibly the worst album by either Bob Dylan or the Grateful Dead, the live Dylan & the Dead completely squanders its promise. Working from an intriguing selection of songs -- it includes staples like "Knockin' on Heaven's Door" and more obscure gems like "Joey" -- the Dead and Dylan contribute listless, meandering versions that are simply boring. Both artists have done much better -- reportedly they have done better together, according to various bootleg fans -- but Dylan & the Dead is a sad, disheartening document.

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 Post subject: Re: The DJ and Gar Saga Continues-The Bob Dylan listening thread
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Bloor can probably embellish or clarify here, but the story has always been that they rehearsed for this tour, worked up set lists, etc, and then Dylan came out for the first night of the tour and played songs they hadn't rehearsed, in keys they never even tuned to, in tempos completely different than agreed upon. Apparently because he's Bob Dylan...

I'm as excited about this atrocity as anything since Oh Mercy.

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Only Empire Burlesque has a worse album cover than Dylan & The Dead.

I think I got this from the library when I was in high school and listened to it a few times but don't remember it at all. I'm not really looking forward to hearing it again but it should at least be mildly entertaining.

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 Post subject: Re: The DJ and Gar Saga Continues-The Bob Dylan listening thread
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The impetus for this pairing continues to perplexed me, even from the distance of years. I Want You is beyond horrible, and almost makes me want never to hear the studio version again. Much the same reaction to Queen Jane. Joey is a 9+ minute unmitigated, discordant sledge hammer to my musical sensibilities.

For some reason, I always thought Knockin' On Heaven's Door SHOULD have worked coming from this ungodly pairing of musicians. Dylan should have put down his guitar after the second verse, walked offstage, and let Garcia and company noodle around for, say, half an hour to give the stoners a collective hard-on, then come back on stage to "sing" the song into a final oblivion.

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Lyle Evans LooGAR Wrote:
Bloor can probably embellish or clarify here, but the story has always been that they rehearsed for this tour, worked up set lists, etc, and then Dylan came out for the first night of the tour and played songs they hadn't rehearsed, in keys they never even tuned to, in tempos completely different than agreed upon. Apparently because he's Bob Dylan...

I'm as excited about this atrocity as anything since Oh Mercy.


I played this last fall when the remasters came out. It was definitely much better than I remembered, but let's face it our barometer for good/bad is completely shot.

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 Post subject: Re: The DJ and Gar Saga Continues-The Bob Dylan listening thread
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I didn't hear this until about a year or so ago and had the "anti-hype" reaction to it.

I'd heard it slagged for so many years that it couldn't possibly be as bad as it was in my head. With that baggage going in, I thought it wasn't all bad. I thought the version of "Gotta Serve Somebody" was passable.

Certainly wouldn't say this is great but IMO it doesn't deserve it's EPIC FAIL rep.


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This show, taped for MTV, finds Dylan turning in an 11-song set, with eight of the songs dating from his 1963-1967 heyday, including such standards as "The Times They Are A-Changin'" and "Like a Rolling Stone." ("John Brown," a powerful antiwar song from 1963, had not been released on a Dylan album previously.) The '70s are represented by "Knockin' on Heaven's Door," and the '80s by "Shooting Star" and "Dignity" (a trunk song, the studio version of which had emerged only the previous November on Bob Dylan's Greatest Hits, Vol. 3). Dylan, accompanied by a competent five-piece band, approaches his material in a gentler fashion than on some of the originals -- "The Times They Are A-Changin'" and "With God on Our Side," for example, seem sadder and less defiant than they did back in 1964. Otherwise, unlike some other Unplugged performances, this one doesn't offer a noticeably different view of the artist's work. But then, Dylan has been unplugged for much of his career, anyway.

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I'm pretty high on this album and have actually had parts of it back in the rotation in the last few weeks.

"Dignity", "Shooting Star", "Tombstone Blues", "John Brown" and "Desolation Row" (which seriously might be my favorite version of it ever) are my favorites. Some things don't work as well but that's why "Skip" was invented (presumably).

A quick note on "Rainy Day Women": I was reading that interview in Rolling Stone with Chuck Berry and it occurred to me that the two most important figures in American rock music both have a song that is both absurd and embarrassing, but yet both refuse to acknowledge said absurdity and in fact continue to regularly play it 40 or more years later. (Speaking of course of "My Ding-A-Ling")

Hey Dump, do you have the boot of the complete Unplugged sessions for Dylan?

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I'm pretty high on this album and have actually had parts of it back in the rotation in the last few weeks.

"Dignity", "Shooting Star", "Tombstone Blues", "John Brown" and "Desolation Row" (which seriously might be my favorite version of it ever) are my favorites. Some things don't work as well but that's why "Skip" was invented (presumably).

A quick note on "Rainy Day Women": I was reading that interview in Rolling Stone with Chuck Berry and it occurred to me that the two most important figures in American rock music both have a song that is both absurd and embarrassing, but yet both refuse to acknowledge said absurdity and in fact continue to regularly play it 40 or more years later. (Speaking of course of "My Ding-A-Ling")

Hey Dump, do you have the boot of the complete Unplugged sessions for Dylan?


Good call on both of those songs. I don't actually have the complete Unplugged and actually have only heard this album once before.

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The mysterious tape of early Bob Dylan performances said to have been recorded at the Gaslight Café in Greenwich Village in 1962 began turning up on bootleg albums such as Ode for Barbara Allen, The Gaslight Tapes, Dylan '62, and Barbed Wire Blues in the 1970s. In 1991, one track, "No More Auction Block," earned legitimate release on The Bootleg Series, Vols. 1-3 (Rare & Unreleased), but this ten-track disc is the first extensive issuance of the material in legal form. The mystery of the origins of the recordings remains, however. Dylan scholars tend to date them from the fall of 1962, but there is no assurance they were actually made at the Gaslight, and tapes circulating among collectors contain more songs than the 11 now commercially available. (Among the missing songs is an early version of "Ballad of Hollis Brown," later heard on 1964's The Times They Are a-Changin'.) Nevertheless, this album is a valuable missing link between Dylan's self-titled debut album (released in March 1962), which consisted mostly of cover tunes, and The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan (released in May 1963), which unveiled Dylan the songwriter. Most of the songs Dylan performs here are covers, but there are early versions of "A Hard Rain's a-Gonna Fall" and "Don't Think Twice, It's All Right," two of the major songs that would appear on The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan, as well as "Rocks and Gravel" (a free-form adaptation of Brownie McGhee's "Solid Road" and Leroy Carr's "Alabama Woman Blues"), which was recorded for The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan and even included on its initial version, and the antiwar "John Brown," later recorded for the various-artists album Broadside Ballads, Vol. 1. Those songs reveal Dylan's emerging songwriting talent (the lyrics of "Don't Think Twice, It's All Right" don't even seem quite finished), while the other six songs are more reminiscent of the gruff traditional folksinger of the Bob Dylan album, though one who can be gentler ("Barbara Allen") and more provocative ("Cocaine") than he seemed on his first LP. The recordings are considerably clearer than the bootleg versions, but they retain their unofficial quality, with occasional flaws, the most notable of which is the abrupt ending of the final track, "West Texas."

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