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i saw him a few years ago as King Khan and BBQ Show, with Those Darlins. It kicked all ass and I woke up with the biggest hangover ever and had to be reminded of a few things that happened towards the end of the evening. Good times! I would also highly suggest seeing them live.


I was supposed to see that show here, but someone from BBQ Show got arrested for some mushrooms or some shit on the road and they cancelled. Those Darlins still played and were really good though. Those Darlins are a pretty striking example of a group that sounds way different live than on record. Personally, I prefer their live show.


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i love Those Darlins. maybe because they sing an entire song about eating an entire chicken, maybe because their tits and ass jiggle in their trashy outfits and it makes me giggle, but either way, they're fun to see.


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Really, you mean they're kinda hot and jiggle when they play? I hadn't noticed.

(I like the one with the bit of a snaggletooth.)


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RE: Those Darlins'...Nashville, reprezent

nobody: Mark Sultan (BBQ of King Khan and BBQ Show) is opening for Deer Tick and Band of Heathens (who we rep) on Halloween night @ Off Broadway if you're interested. I'll get you a spot on the list if you get the hankering to go. Just PM me


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saw david mamet's a life in the theatre. pretty funny and i usually hate his comedies. in fact some of it is shamelessly funny but it works. i definitely recommend it.

pass up that deerhoof show for a night at the theatre.
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I couldn't find the data on experience with burritos, sandwiches and fish but I'm guessing that its way up since the last poll.


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my brother did the animation and music for this vid for his organic coop

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my brother did the animation and music for this vid for his organic coop

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So apparently someone's been frequently doing coke in one of the men's rooms here at work. I guess my boss(es) have seen evidence of it for a while and finally had the cops come and check it out, make sure it's what they thought it was. I don't know how I've been so oblivious to all of this (well, I kind of do), but man. I think I know who might be responsible, and it's just kind of weird and sad. And funny.


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I couldn't find the data on experience with burritos, sandwiches and fish but I'm guessing that its way up since the last poll.


It's buried in the data there, but they blame the swift rise and non-geography-specific proliferation in the activities on "something we cannot quantify but referred to often amongst the self identified 'FUHERS' on 'CHAGGY.'" Further exploration will be made in subsequent surveys.

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You gotta give it to veteran producer and former Big Black/current Shellac frontman Steve Albini-- dude is indie as fuck. So indie, in fact, that he recently told GQ that he considers Sonic Youth a "bad influence" (!) for signing with major label Geffen in 1990, a choice Abini thinks they "should be embarrassed about." (Sonic Youth broke ties with Geffen around 2008 and their latest LP, The Eternal, came out on indie Matador.)

It seems relevant to note that two of Albini's most notable engineering credits are Nirvana's In Utero and PJ Harvey's Rid of Me-- both of which came out on major labels. Perhaps he never cashed those checks?

Click on for Albini's full analysis-- which actually might be harsher than those pull quotes would let on:

On Sonic Youth's decision to sign with Geffen: "I don't know the exact circumstances of Sonic Youth's decision, so I'm not comfortable saying they did it wrong. But a lot of the things they were involved with as part of the mainstream were distasteful to me. And a lot of the things that happened as a direct result of their association with the mainstream music industry gave credibility to some of the nonsense notions that hover around the star-making machinery. A lot of that stuff was offensive to me and I saw it as a sellout and a corruption of a perfectly valid, well-oiled music scene. Sonic Youth chose to abandon it in order to become a modestly successful mainstream band-- as opposed to being a quite successful independent band that could have used their resources and influence to extend that end of the culture. They chose to join the mainstream culture and become a foot soldier for that culture's encroachment into my neck of the woods by acting as scouts. I thought it was crass and I thought it reflected poorly on them. I still consider them friends and their music has its own integrity, but that kind of behavior-- I can't say that I think it's not embarrassing for them. I think they should be embarrassed about it."

He goes on (really!): "I think what they did was take a lot of people who didn't have aspirations or ambitions and encouraged them to be part of the mainstream music industry. They validated the fleeting notions that these kids had that they might one day be rock stars. And then they participated in inducing a lot of them to make very stupid career moves. That was a period where the music scene got quite ugly-- there were a lot of parasitic people involved like lawyers and managers. There were people who were making a living on the backs of bands, who were doing all the work. Had Sonic Youth not done what they did I don't know what would have happened-- the alternative history game is kind of silly. But I think it cheapened music quite a bit. It made music culture kind of empty and ugly and was generally a kind of bad influence."

As an amazing end note, GQ threw some prime red meat in the famously t-shirt-and-jeans-wearing producer's direction with the question "How would you describe your fashion?" His answer lived up: "I think fashion is repulsive. The whole idea that someone else can make clothing that is supposed to be in style and make other people look good is ridiculous. It sickens me to think that there is an industry that plays to the low self-esteem of the general public. I would like the fashion industry to collapse. I think it plays to the most superficial, most insecure parts of human nature. I hope GQ as a magazine fails. I hope that all of these people who make a living by looking pretty are eventually made destitute or forced to do something of substance. At least pornography has a function."


I think he's been hiding in a basement for so long that his mind has gone nutso. Personally, I think SY signing to Geffen was probably the best move for them at the time. It gave them a spotlight, and not only that but it brought a lot of great bands to the label with them, who may or may not have been heard by a lot of people. Not to mention, that Geffen re-released a better part of their back catalog, which most people wouldn't have heard. He's acting like they changed their attitude and sound when they signed.

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He's acting like they changed their attitude and sound when they signed.


No, that's not what he's saying at all. He's talking almost exclusively about the business and cultural side of things, and how that move - a business move - affected the overall music scene. And he could be right for all I know. He's been pretty embedded in it for the past 20 years. A lot of bands pass through that basement of his.

And I love the tone of that article that everything he's saying is just so unbelievable and ridiculous. "He goes on (really!)" Yeah, he goes on to pretty successfully reinforce and clarify everything he said previously. He makes reasoned and carefully considered points, and he doesn't stray from the same general things he's always been saying about the music industry. You just didn't notice or care, GQ, until he told you outright that he does not give a shit about what you do and hopes that your magazine fails.


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Yr right. I misread what he said.

I could care less about what he says about GQ, because to be honest, I expect that from him. What I don't get is as pitchfork pointed out, he's been just as much of a cog in the machine as SY, in his production of some high-profile producing credits. To call the kettle black, so to speak. I know his routine because I've read the interviews, and bought the records which he spouts off about labels. The thing is, why now? He's vague enough in his explanation that it comes across as carefully chosen language. What's he talking about: videos? Lollapalooza? what? He sorta puts the entire downfall on SY "But I think it cheapened music quite a bit. It made music culture kind of empty and ugly and was generally a kind of bad influence", which I think is a load of bunk.

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His shit is as orchestrated as anybody's and always has been.

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Yr right. I misread what he said.

I could care less about what he says about GQ, because to be honest, I expect that from him. What I don't get is as pitchfork pointed out, he's been just as much of a cog in the machine as SY, in his production of some high-profile producing credits. To call the kettle black, so to speak. I know his routine because I've read the interviews, and bought the records which he spouts off about labels. The thing is, why now? He's vague enough in his explanation that it comes across as carefully chosen language. What's he talking about: videos? Lollapalooza? what? He sorta puts the entire downfall on SY "But I think it cheapened music quite a bit. It made music culture kind of empty and ugly and was generally a kind of bad influence", which I think is a load of bunk.


Well, yeah, I don't know exactly what he's getting at, either. I just think that his disapproval of SY going to a major is super old news.

And as far as him being a cog in that machine... he'd probably argue that he's always done business his own way regardless of the client. Should he have turned away the major label projects on principal? He's pretty careful not to ever describe himself as a producer, instead preferring to be called an engineer and talking about his studio as a business. In doing so, he separates it from that whole integrity question, in a way, because he's not the one making art. He's simply providing a service. As far his own music is concerned, he's remained consistent in his ideology. As uncommercial as Shellac is, I have little doubt that "Steve Albini's band" could have found it's way onto a major label back in the '90s when it started, but he chose not to go that route. As far as "cashing checks" from the Nirvana, PJ Harvey, and other major label projects, again, those were his clients. His studio is a business.


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But then again, so is releasing records. He can pick and choose projects...why not "engineer" records only by independent artists? Like I said above, he's calling the kettle black. He has no problem working with label artists, and making money off the "system" but then he accuses SY of doing nefarious things. What if SY signed with Geffen because they thought it was a larf that a major label would sign them? That if they did, they could get the label to sign decent acts? I guess its all in perception, and like we've both maintained, his language is that of someone being intentionally vague.

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Yeah, what exactly did Sonic Youth do that was so nefarious while they were on Geffen? The "Kool Thing" video?

I think they pretty much did what they wanted to.

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But then again, so is releasing records. He can pick and choose projects...why not "engineer" records only by independent artists? Like I said above, he's calling the kettle black. He has no problem working with label artists, and making money off the "system" but then he accuses SY of doing nefarious things. What if SY signed with Geffen because they thought it was a larf that a major label would sign them? That if they did, they could get the label to sign decent acts? I guess its all in perception, and like we've both maintained, his language is that of someone being intentionally vague.


He has been more specific in other interviews I've read, maybe not about what Sonic Youth did or were party to, but I think he's generally just alluding to this practice of luring bands out of the indie scene and into the world of the majors, sometimes with disastrous results for the bands. The history of bad recording contracts naturally goes back way before Sonic Youth, but I think what he's referring to here is how their decision helped burgeon that whole early '90s wave of indie bands that were signed to the majors in hopes of the majors finding their next Nirvana. Sonic Youth seemed to lend that whole movement some real credibility thereby helping to lure in more bands.

Now I'm not saying I agree with him or that I have any way of knowing if he's right or wrong about this (or if he even really does), but I feel like you're fundamentally misunderstanding him and maybe getting a little defensive on behalf of Sonic Youth. This is just Albini being Albini, as you know, and he's got pretty well-thought-out and practical reasons to feel the way he does about things, even though his stances can seem fairly extreme and curmudgeonly on the surface. Much like Ian MacKaye, he's been relatively successful doing things his own way, and he's had to work pretty hard - continues to work pretty damn hard - to do it. On the plus side, he's totally in favor of stuff like p2p filesharing and posting music on Youtube, etc. He likes things on his side of the fence, and I think his actions have been pretty consistent with his viewpoints. I suppose you could say, then, that he shouldn't even lend his name or sell his services to major label projects, but I don't think that doing so necessarily makes him a hypocrite. It's not like they're the mafia and their money is dirty.


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Oh, I'm definitely getting defensive towards his statements due to my fanboy SY stance. If anything, SY brought bands into the fold that never would've gotten a blink at the general public. Let's look at the landscape of things in the late 80s/early 90s--there wasn't a whole lot of indies out there with distro deals getting music into the hands of people. For every Pell Mell or Boss Hog that didn't make it, there was also a Beck, Nirvana, or Veruca Salt that did benefit from it. Am I saying that financially it was the best choice and that they weren't screwed in some aspect? No. But, it also elevated their careers to places an indie might not have been able to take them. I think labels at that time weren't so black and white as to how evil they were...or if they did evil things it was covered up a lot better. I mean, on a sliding scale DGC was one of the better labels. I'd place Capitol at the time in there as well. DGC didn't become Interscope until later, remember.

And, I think it is kinda like the mafia. He's stating that what they do is a dirty business, but is willing to accept that money.

Sure, I can chalk most of this up to Albini being Albini, but the fact that he attacked SY on an old as sin topic, and calls them out in such vague terms kinda ruffled my feathers.

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