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I can't even tell you how many times I've listened to Never Let Me Down since 1987. Obviously it's ramped down a bit over the years but it's one of the few albums I own on LP, cassette and compact disc. I guess I understand why critics and fans alike would rag on it, but its particular charms work for me. I guess I don't really need to hear 'Never Let Me Down' thru to 'Glass Spider' but I rarely skip if only to openly start using Bowie's accent and weird phrasings during the spoken word intro for the rest of the day.

Anyway, still one of my favourites.

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Oh man, the title track on this is hilarious. The way he sings...

But so far this isn't as bad as Tonight.


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We've been batting around Marley for too long so it needs to go up next.


Lively up YOSEFF.


I think this is different enough, and like Drinky, I don't think I've listened to an actual Marley album.


So, a handful of actual releases before he took the dirt nap, and 79 bootlegs, outtakes, and cutting room floor releases post-mortem. I & I tinking dat tread still be going on 'bout Valentine's Day.


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A remarkable recording for many reasons, the debut of Tin Machine predates by nearly half a decade much of the guitar-oriented alternative pop that followed the grunge explosion of 1991-1992. This does not sound like Bowie in a band; missing are the quirkiness and theatrics that characterize much of Bowie's solo work. This is a band with a band attitude, not exactly what the fans were wanting at the time. Stunt guitarist Reeves Gabrels provides much in the way of ambient guitar solos, not unlike Adrian Belew's work. Drummer Hunt Sales provides a sticky tenor vocal similar to Bowie's own voice in a higher register; they blend very well together. The music is hard-edged guitar rock with an intelligence missing from much of the work of that genre at the time. Highlights include the emotional "Prisoner of Love" and the driving "Under the God." The band does a rocking rework of John Lennon's "Working Class Hero," with a killer machine-gun fire-sounding riff that permeated the track. The strongest analog to Bowie's earlier work is a five-minute number toward the beginning of the record called "I Can't Read"; with its deliberately out-of-tune guitars and half-hearted vocals, it's a nice piece of artistry. This record would have been more popular had it been released five or six years later.

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I'm not going to be able to get to this one today, so it'll be Tin Machine I and II tomorrow.

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A remarkable recording for many reasons, the debut of Tin Machine predates by nearly half a decade much of the guitar-oriented alternative pop that followed the grunge explosion of 1991-1992. This does not sound like Bowie in a band; missing are the quirkiness and theatrics that characterize much of Bowie's solo work. This is a band with a band attitude, not exactly what the fans were wanting at the time. Stunt guitarist Reeves Gabrels provides much in the way of ambient guitar solos, not unlike Adrian Belew's work. Drummer Hunt Sales provides a sticky tenor vocal similar to Bowie's own voice in a higher register; they blend very well together. The music is hard-edged guitar rock with an intelligence missing from much of the work of that genre at the time. Highlights include the emotional "Prisoner of Love" and the driving "Under the God." The band does a rocking rework of John Lennon's "Working Class Hero," with a killer machine-gun fire-sounding riff that permeated the track. The strongest analog to Bowie's earlier work is a five-minute number toward the beginning of the record called "I Can't Read"; with its deliberately out-of-tune guitars and half-hearted vocals, it's a nice piece of artistry. This record would have been more popular had it been released five or six years later.

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great, great, GREAT album!!!

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It's OK.

I forgot to bring my CD to work today so I guess I'll wait until tomorrow as well.

(I know I could DL it, but I'd rather not do that if I don't have to.)


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I own this one on cassette.

I'm not gonna go as far as FT, but I always liked it.

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These blurbs are the absolute worst. Great to know that Tin Machine "pre-dates by half a decade much of the guitar-oriented alternative pop that followed the grunge explosion of 1991-1992", but why stop there? Tin Machine pre-dated ALL of the guitar-oriented alternative pop that's being made right now BY 20 YEARS. Holy shit, it fuckin' CREATED guitar-oriented alternate pop, because obviously nobody was doing anything like that before 1989, right?

It's so typical of Bowie fans to try to give him credit as a game changer rather than the follower he was. And I don't say that merely to shit on the guy - there's plenty Bowie that I like well enough - but if he had any slant of genius to him it was his ability to recognize the genius in others and then steal it, streamline it, and take it to the bank.


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There's some Bowie I like, but for the most part could never figure out who the hell David Jones wanted to be

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The second (and essentially final) Tin Machine installment finds the group polishing up their sound significantly making a well-produced collection of songs. Many songs -- notably "Amlapura" or "Goodbye Mr. Ed" -- come as less than raucous rock songs (as heard on the previous record) but more as sonic works of art. Strong opener "Baby Universal" is infectiously catchy. Bowie is featured on saxophone on several numbers, particularly "You Belong in Rock & Roll" -- an interesting side to this record. Admittedly, this album takes some getting used to, but repeated listenings are very rewarding. Much of the difficulty with Tin Machine II rests in some general confusion with what guitarist Reeves Gabrels is doing with his guitar; he doesn't play it like a guitarist is supposed to play. He plays long textural notes that shift in pitch and intensity. He does not play on the beat, and he does not play licks that you will be humming when the song is over. Frequent listenings will prove this a beautiful enhancement to the music rather than a mosquito buzzing in the ear. Lead vocals by Hunt Sales on "Stateside" and "Sorry"; his high, somewhat whiny voice adds yet another dimension to the sound of this group. Much of their work came to light before the radio-listening/music-buying public was really ready to hear it -- a later release of this music may have faired better in public opinion. This is a well-conceived and well-executed recording. The cover of the U.S. release of this record features the Kouros statues on the front with their genitalia apparently broken off. European releases show the statues anatomically intact.

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The second (and essentially final) Tin Machine installment finds the group polishing up their sound significantly making a well-produced collection of songs. Many songs -- notably "Amlapura" or "Goodbye Mr. Ed" -- come as less than raucous rock songs (as heard on the previous record) but more as sonic works of art. Strong opener "Baby Universal" is infectiously catchy. Bowie is featured on saxophone on several numbers, particularly "You Belong in Rock & Roll" -- an interesting side to this record. Admittedly, this album takes some getting used to, but repeated listenings are very rewarding. Much of the difficulty with Tin Machine II rests in some general confusion with what guitarist Reeves Gabrels is doing with his guitar; he doesn't play it like a guitarist is supposed to play. He plays long textural notes that shift in pitch and intensity. He does not play on the beat, and he does not play licks that you will be humming when the song is over. Frequent listenings will prove this a beautiful enhancement to the music rather than a mosquito buzzing in the ear. Lead vocals by Hunt Sales on "Stateside" and "Sorry"; his high, somewhat whiny voice adds yet another dimension to the sound of this group. Much of their work came to light before the radio-listening/music-buying public was really ready to hear it -- a later release of this music may have faired better in public opinion. This is a well-conceived and well-executed recording. The cover of the U.S. release of this record features the Kouros statues on the front with their genitalia apparently broken off. European releases show the statues anatomically intact.

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I really like "Stateside," but much of this album is a clunker.

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I've always found the Tin Machine stuff kinda boring. It's competant rock by the numbers to me. Decently done up by professionals but nothing that really makes it stand out or makes me wanna revisit. Really, after Let's Dance, not much if any Bowie I need to hear outside of not minding an occasional track if I hear it around somewhere. Even let's Dance I can mostly do without, although I do like his version of China Girl.


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Yeah, I'm only a few songs into the second one, but it's safe to say I feel the same.

I've had the first one a while and listened to it a fair amount, and I've never really cared too much for it. Some of it is downright embarrassing, especially some of the lyrics. So far this second one doesn't sound quite as dated or make me cringe, but it's really dull.


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I didn't mind either album, I was excited to play the first one as it's been decades since I've heard it. It was decent, but overall considering the playing field of music I love versus music I think is merely decent, it'll likely be decades if I ever decide to play it again. Same with II. Glad I did though.

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Black Tie White Noise was the beginning of David Bowie's return from the wilderness of post-Let's Dance, the first indication that he was regaining his creative spark. To say as much suggests that it's a bit of a lost classic, when it's rather a sporadically intriguing transitional album, finding Bowie balancing the commercial dance-rock of Let's Dance with artier inclinations from his Berlin period, all the while trying to draw on the past by working with former Spider from Mars guitarist Mick Ronson, collaborating with Let's Dance producer Nile Rodgers, and even covering inspiration Scott Walker's "Nite Flights." On top of that, the record was inspired by his recent marriage to supermodel Iman -- the record is bookended with "The Wedding" and "The Wedding Song" -- and then tied up and presented as a sophisticated modern urban soul record, one that draws from uptown soul (including, rather bafflingly, a duet with Al B. Sure!) and state-of-the-art dance-club techno, while adding splashy touches like solos from avant jazz trumpeter Lester Bowie and a nod to modern alt-rock via a nifty cover of Morrissey's "I Know It's Gonna Happen Someday." That's a lot of stuff for one record to handle, so it shouldn't come as a great surprise that the album doesn't always work, but its stylish restlessness comes as a great relief, particularly when compared to the hermetically sealed previous solo Bowie record, 1987's Never Let Me Down. Black Tie White Noise displays greater musical ambition than any record he'd made since Scary Monsters, and while much of the record feels like unrealized ideas, there are songs where it all gels, like on the paranoid jumble of "Jump They Say," the aforementioned covers, the impassioned "You've Been Around," and the self-consciously smooth title track. Moments like these are the first in a long time to feel classically Bowie, and they point ahead toward the more interesting records he made in the second half of the '90s, but they are encased in a production that not only sounds dated years later, but sounded dated upon its release in the spring of 1993, two years into the thick of alternative rock. At that point, the club-centric, mainstream-courting Black Tie White Noise seemed as an anachronism during the guitar-heavy grunge-n-industrial glory days -- something Bowie tacitly acknowledged with its 1995 successor, Outside, which was every bit as gloomy as a Nine Inch Nails record -- but separated from the vagaries of fashion, it's an interesting first step in Bowie's creative revival.

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Here's an alternate DL for anyone else who may not be able to use rapidshare at the moment:

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(I haven't tested the actual files yet - downloading now.)


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So this album was actually fairly decent. The best one since Let's Dance pretty easily.

And I will totally vouch for that link I posted. It's a 256 kbps version that even has a lyrics file of some kind attached.


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David Bowie seemed like an artist without direction ever since the success of Let's Dance, switching styles and genres with a speed that made him appear nervous, not innovative. Recorded with his former collaborator Brian Eno, Outside was intended to return some luster to his rapidly tarnishing reputation. Instead of faux soul or mainstream pop -- or even dissonant hard rock, for that matter -- Bowie concentrates on the atmospheric, disturbing electronic soundscapes of his late-'70s "Berlin" trilogy (Low, Heroes, and Lodger), adding slight, but detectable, elements of industrial, grunge, and ambient techno. Bowie also raised the stakes by making Outside the first in a series of concept albums about mystery, murder, art, and cyberspace. Everything that would have made Outside a triumphant comeback seemed to be in place, but the album is severely flawed. Not only is the story poorly developed and confusing, but the album is simply too long. Throughout the record, good ideas bubble to the surface, yet are never fully explored, and the sheer bulk of the album means that the good songs -- "Hallo Spaceboy," "Strangers When We Meet," "The Hearts Filthy Lesson" -- are buried underneath the weight of the mediocre material. Furthermore, nothing on the album is a departure from Bowie's late-'70s records; when he does experiment with newer musical forms or write about futuristic technology, he seems unsure of himself. That said, Outside is Bowie's most satisfying and adventurous album since Let's Dance. It's clear that he's trying once again, and when he does hit his mark, he remains a brilliant artist.

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I'm finally in unknown territory. Save for a few songs, I haven't heard any 90s Bowie records.

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Yeah, this is my first time hearing this stuff, too.

Not as bad as the late '80s stuff, but pretty boring and forgettable.


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Yeah, this is my first time hearing this stuff, too.

Not as bad as the late '80s stuff, but pretty boring and forgettable.


I was mildly interested in hearing this as I had a friend who raved about it as being up with his best. I never took her up on it, and politely declined her repeated suggestions to borrow it. Should have stayed on that right side of the fence.

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Jumping on the post-grunge industrial bandwagon with Outside didn't successfully rejuvenate David Bowie's credibility or sales, so he switched his allegiance to techno and jungle for the follow-up, Earthling. While jungle is a more appropriate fit than industrial, the resulting music is nearly as awkward. Though he often gets the sound of jungle right, the record frequently sounds as if the beats were simply grafted on top of pre-existing songs. Never are the songs broken open by a new form; they are fairly conventional Bowie songs with fancy production. Fortunately, Bowie sounds rejuvenated by this new form, and songs like "Little Wonder" and "Seven Years in Tibet" are far stronger than the bulk of Outside. Still, the record falls short of its goals, and it doesn't offer enough intrigue or innovations to make Earthling anything more than an admirable effort.

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I had a roommate in college who was a pretty big fan of this album so I'm actually pretty familiar with it. At the time it seemed kind of cool, I guess, because really, drum & bass and jungle were still pretty new in the late '90s. Now it's one of his more dated-sounding records. (To his credit, The Fall did pretty much the same thing that same year on their album Levitate - although they did it better.) But it's not like the whole thing is given over to that kind of sound, and some of it has more industrial-sounding production that has aged a little better. The songs are OK, and I always kind of like the single "I'm Afraid of Americans" although it's definitely steeped in that whole Trent Reznor sound. It's another decent album, a little better than Outside, but I don't think I like it more than Black Tie White Noise.


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Yeah, I always thought this was way more industrial/NIN sounding than anything else. A couple fun songs, like I'm Afraid of Americans that I don't mind hearing but we realyl are to the point where nothing is even remotely essential anymore.


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