Yeah, I'm not sure what to tell you Fish if you don't see the survival angle in all of this. Seems like it's way more prevalent than the actual ZOMBGEES. Also, what should the antagonist be? Nuclear holocaust? Red Dawn behind enemy lines scenario? The guy wanted to do it with some undead.

I actually like the human drama being interrupted with some pretty solid gore and violence (at least for tv).

Well, apparently lots of people didn't have time for Rubicon. It's been canceled.

I find it to be a mild victory that FemDerris, who hates or is scared of most things horror genre related, finds this semi-interesting.

That opening scene in the pilot where the zombie kid gets a shot in the head was just fantastic.

Usually love Buscemi, but this is part of the problem I have with BE. I don't really think he can carry the role of Nucky. The real life Nucky Thompson was tall and physically commanding, and Buscemi just ain't. But like I said earlier, I'm still watching.

How many watchers of this show do you really think have any historical knowledge of "the real Nucky Thompson", let alone his physique? haha

My point is that Buscemi can't carry a character who should be larger than life, rather than someone with a slight frame who acts cooly all of the time.

OHG. Y'all Sorry....

It's definitely better than Zombpocalypse ATL, but not exactly transcendent.

I will disagree with most everyone and say I like Buscemi's understated playing of the role. If he acted like Tony Soprano this would be "Sopranos Reboot" or whatever you all sub consciously want it to be. I think his betrayal of Nucky as a grubby little backstabbing fuck, who is petty, underhanded, and ruthless has much more resonance than any actor playing ala DeNiro in The Untouchables or whatever.

And Rothstein makes me uncomfortable. He probably invented forcing hookers to eat his ass, and killing homeless people to make himself feel better.

Man, I almost posted something eerily similar to this. I was going to reference Red Dawn, too.

I don't even really know why I got rid of it. To save a buck? Because I wasn't personally watching anything on it? I dunno, but my wife has been harboring a not-so-secret hatred for me ever since.

Yeah, I tried to cancel all the other channels, but when you get HBO, you can get every other channel for like $10/mo with Knology. So, why even bother?

If McCain wants to do ANYTHING to help "average Americans" he will push that ala carte cable bill he been workin on for 10 years. I could do without 90% of the channels I have.

I see the survival angle, doesn't mean I find it particularly compelling.

Not sure why because he wanted to undead makes it good.

There always seems to be this conception that if someone doesn't care for something that they've missed something. I've given my reasons why I don't like something, and I honestly enjoy reading people's reasons for liking something. But I find it somewhat amusing that people are so incredulous that I'm not finding a Zombie story with a backdrop of survival, racism, wife-beating, friendship, marriage and whatever else to be good. And that I'd rather my zombie to be cheaper thrills without attempts of substance, which I admit may not be suited for a television series. I love a zombie head explosion as much as the next guy. I think the show kind of sucks when it gets AWAY from the zombies.

In short, I find all the scenes without Zombies or threat of Zombies to be boring bordering on painful.

I'm not commenting on the quality of the show nor giving an opinion on it really.

Just pointing out that, IMO, the things you listed that make for a nuts and bolts survival story are precisely what this show is about.

Also, you just don't get it man.

And..........you watch Burn Notice.

I definitely understand what Kingfish is saying. I am a fan of the show, but I think their balance of zombie shit and survival shit is off. The first episode was fantastic. Lots of suspense, lots of zombies and like 5 minutes of shooting zombies in the head WHILE communicating secondary and tertiary messages. The second episode was too funny for my taste but thought it was balanced well, but the third episode lacked almost anything exciting because they played up the "oh shit, dude's bff been bangin' his wife" scenario. I don't care about the other stuff (meaning it isn't the sole reason I am watching it), but I do want there to be a fair balance because for fuck's sake, Kingfish is right, this is a zombie survival tale, so let's see some zombies get theirs or at least one of these mother fucking survivors get their brains eaten.

If it were just about Zombies, I doubt I would have made it this far. Still I get what Kingfish is saying. Dexter has the same issue. The more they've tried to define all the characters and mix other more typical story lines with Dexter killing people, the less interesting its become.

haven't these first 3 episodes just been setting up characters so that an audience cares at all when one becomes a zombie?

I know you're probably just upset about losing your precious all star Omar Infante, but leave Burn Notice out of this.

Kinda, yeah. But there have to be more than just the like 10 survivors. Maybe 10 important characters, so let's see some red shirts get their shit eaten. haha

I've got a feeling we're going to see that very thing in the next episode. If not, I'll admit that the creators of this show are really dropping the ball/dragging things out way too much.

I see what you mean Z but I can't say I care for any of the characters outside of the main character (and honestly I'm not all that invested in him and wouldn't mind him being eaten), the asian kid, and the father and son. Maybe the friend. So I'm invested in 5 at this point. I'm really just pulling for the Asian and the father and son.

Can't get enough Michael Westin. Obner would probably make fun of a lot of what I watch.

Omar Infante: 2009 All Star

YOU CAN NEVER TAKE IT AWAY BILGY!!

You like five of the characters and that's not enough? You don't think they're maybe setting up some of these dudes so you'll be really glad when they get eaten? You're not supposed to like everyone. Characters that are killed off within 4-5 episodes might as well suck. I mean, how awful would it be if they killed off Glenn (the Asian kid) in the next episode? Because I fully agree that he's the most likeable character so far, and you can bet that's not by accident.

And trust me, characters you like will die, too, but not this early on.

And lastly, before we keep going back and forth on this again and you keep suggesting that I have some problem with you just not liking this show, that's not it at all. I took issue with some grander statements that you made about how a show about zombies shouldn't try to have any kind of real story or character development. Or that it should have to work this way or that it's missing this element, etc.